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Re: building permit questions [Re: straycat] #2122796
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Originally Posted By: straycat
Eskimo,

Does the neighboring City you are speaking of have a Building Inspection Department? Which city?

If you are not in the official jurisdiction of the city, AND the county itself doesn't have an inspection department...then you are not required to pull a building permit. Now the contractor may have to have a business license.
I don't believe they have, I do think they hire an inspector to inspect and sign off on the project. Rehobeth is the town.


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Re: building permit questions [Re: eskimo270] #2122821
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Out of sheer curiosity, I looked it up. The City of Rehobeth does in fact say that building permits are required within the town jurisdiction AND the police jurisdiction. They have a hand drawn red line map on their website. They list 4 required inspections for swimming pools.

Page that discusses
http://rehobethalabama.com/?page_id=10

I have no idea what legal ground they have to enforce building codes within a police jurisdiction if you are not receiving any services at all and don't pay any city taxes, fees, or can vote. Sounds like a classic "taxation (permit fees) without representation". Definitely a lawyer question.

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Re: building permit questions [Re: straycat] #2122839
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Originally Posted By: straycat
Out of sheer curiosity, I looked it up. The City of Rehobeth does in fact say that building permits are required within the town jurisdiction AND the police jurisdiction. They have a hand drawn red line map on their website. They list 4 required inspections for swimming pools.

Page that discusses
http://rehobethalabama.com/?page_id=10

I have no idea what legal ground they have to enforce building codes within a police jurisdiction if you are not receiving any services at all and don't pay any city taxes, fees, or can vote. Sounds like a classic "taxation (permit fees) without representation". Definitely a lawyer question.
my thoughts exactly, thanks for the input


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Re: building permit questions [Re: eskimo270] #2122869
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Originally Posted By: eskimo270
Jawbone, how do you interpret section b?


Honestly, I'm not sure. The permit fees are part of the jurisdiction issue that I was never involved in, since we don't collect permit fees outside the city. I pretty much read it to say that you can't be collecting more than the services you provide which is in line with what I know about PJs. If a city chooses to have a PJ, they can collect a portion of the city resident taxes. For us, it is 1/2 property tax what a resident pays. In return, the PJ residents get emergency services (police and fire). This does not mean the police have to respond to non emergency calls like stolen bicycles, but we do. For years, a solid 1/3 of the Selma PD calls have been outside of the city but in the PJ, yet not nearly that amount is taken in on property taxes. The city has looked at not answering calls in the PJ before. This is where I was tasked with studying the matter. My report, based on court decisions, said basically, 1. You can't collect any tax, and 2. the Sheriff Dept. has to be given enough time to make arrangement for additional funding to hire the additional deputies needed. In the case of Prattville, I believe it was, the courts said they couldn't immediately stop working the PJ like they wanted to, but had to give the SO 6 months notice. At this time, our PD and FD still work the PJ, but I imagine the issue will come before out city council again before too long.

I honestly believe that if challenged, Rehobeth would lose since they collect fees from the PJ but provide no services. It just doesn't look like anyone has ever wanted the hassle of calling them on it.

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Re: building permit questions [Re: eskimo270] #2122876
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Is Rehobeth claiming 3 miles or 1.5 miles PJ???


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Re: building permit questions [Re: eskimo270] #2122900
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You shouldn't have to buy a permit to have a company build your pool. The installer should take care of any and all permits required. Every municipality has it's own requirements. Most of the smaller towns and counties just want a cut of the money. It probably isn't a hundred dollars for the permit. The money should be paid and you may not even see an inspector. This is just the way it is and it should definitely not effect the price of your pool.


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Re: building permit questions [Re: BhamFred] #2123037
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Is Rehobeth claiming 3 miles or 1.5 miles PJ???
they are claiming 1.5, I assume based on the document that Straycat mentioned


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Originally Posted By: jaredhunts
You shouldn't have to buy a permit to have a company build your pool. The installer should take care of any and all permits required. Every municipality has it's own requirements. Most of the smaller towns and counties just want a cut of the money. It probably isn't a hundred dollars for the permit. The money should be paid and you may not even see an inspector. This is just the way it is and it should definitely not effect the price of your pool.
I believe they are requiring a business license and permit for the pool company, I intend to do the electrical and they are requiring a $50 permit for me to do my electric


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Originally Posted By: jawbone
Originally Posted By: eskimo270
Jawbone, how do you interpret section b?


Honestly, I'm not sure. The permit fees are part of the jurisdiction issue that I was never involved in, since we don't collect permit fees outside the city. I pretty much read it to say that you can't be collecting more than the services you provide which is in line with what I know about PJs. If a city chooses to have a PJ, they can collect a portion of the city resident taxes. For us, it is 1/2 property tax what a resident pays. In return, the PJ residents get emergency services (police and fire). This does not mean the police have to respond to non emergency calls like stolen bicycles, but we do. For years, a solid 1/3 of the Selma PD calls have been outside of the city but in the PJ, yet not nearly that amount is taken in on property taxes. The city has looked at not answering calls in the PJ before. This is where I was tasked with studying the matter. My report, based on court decisions, said basically, 1. You can't collect any tax, and 2. the Sheriff Dept. has to be given enough time to make arrangement for additional funding to hire the additional deputies needed. In the case of Prattville, I believe it was, the courts said they couldn't immediately stop working the PJ like they wanted to, but had to give the SO 6 months notice. At this time, our PD and FD still work the PJ, but I imagine the issue will come before out city council again before too long.

I honestly believe that if challenged, Rehobeth would lose since they collect fees from the PJ but provide no services. It just doesn't look like anyone has ever wanted the hassle of calling them on it.
thanks, they want me to get an electrical permit to do my own electric, $50 isn't much but I pay enough in taxes so I intend to call them on it


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Originally Posted By: eskimo270

Originally Posted By: jawbone
Originally Posted By: eskimo270
Jawbone, how do you interpret section b?


Honestly, I'm not sure. The permit fees are part of the jurisdiction issue that I was never involved in, since we don't collect permit fees outside the city. I pretty much read it to say that you can't be collecting more than the services you provide which is in line with what I know about PJs. If a city chooses to have a PJ, they can collect a portion of the city resident taxes. For us, it is 1/2 property tax what a resident pays. In return, the PJ residents get emergency services (police and fire). This does not mean the police have to respond to non emergency calls like stolen bicycles, but we do. For years, a solid 1/3 of the Selma PD calls have been outside of the city but in the PJ, yet not nearly that amount is taken in on property taxes. The city has looked at not answering calls in the PJ before. This is where I was tasked with studying the matter. My report, based on court decisions, said basically, 1. You can't collect any tax, and 2. the Sheriff Dept. has to be given enough time to make arrangement for additional funding to hire the additional deputies needed. In the case of Prattville, I believe it was, the courts said they couldn't immediately stop working the PJ like they wanted to, but had to give the SO 6 months notice. At this time, our PD and FD still work the PJ, but I imagine the issue will come before out city council again before too long.

I honestly believe that if challenged, Rehobeth would lose since they collect fees from the PJ but provide no services. It just doesn't look like anyone has ever wanted the hassle of calling them on it.
thanks, they want me to get an electrical permit to do my own electric, $50 isn't much but I pay enough in taxes so I intend to call them on it


Just don't subpoena me to court.

Disclaimer: I'm not advising you to break the law, but my opinion is still that I don't believe they can legally collect money without providing a service. Upon reflection, I guess their argument would be that the service they provide is requiring permits to make sure everything is built to code. My next question is, who is going to enforce code violations? They don't have a police officer to issue citations and I'm sure the SO would laugh at them over that if requested to do it. As Doekiller will tell you, they can't enforce it civilly. The only option would be a representative of the town signing a criminal complaint with the District Court.


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Re: building permit questions [Re: timbercruiser] #2123090
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Our Florida gasoline runs about twenty five cents per gallon more than Alabama.

And you don't really see much benefit in north Florida. But with all the drivers and tourists in central and south Florida, that extra 25 cents makes traffic a lot easier for all of the public.


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