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Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 07:38 AM
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I recognize upfront that this answer will vary depending on the area and habitat. Everyone just answer for the area you hunt and the most familiar with. How many yotes do you think you have per square mile (640 acres) where you live or hunt? Think about the number of deer per sq/mi in your area to help draw a comparison.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 07:51 AM
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My answer is 3-5……I had previously told someone else 6-7 but I think that may be high. I’m not really sure though to be honest. If you have say 30-40 deer per sq/mi which is not too bad….I’m guessing 8 or 10 yotes in that same square would decimate that fawn crop depending on habitat. Even just 5 grown yotes would likely get their fair share if you only have say 20 of those deer being older breeding does.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
[Re: CNC]
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05/15/17 08:58 AM
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Based on trapping figures I've got and I'm estimating a home range of 2 miles in Alabama's thick cover and target rich environment.
I'm say 4.5
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 09:53 AM
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Yea, It is subjective. I have caught 18 from 4 spots in 2 different sections since about his time last year.
In one of those sections outside on these 2 spots I believe there are no coyotes to speak of on the rest of it. I am on some intersections and they are just passing through.
But to just kinda deepen the argument I have caught bobcat and fox on other areas in that section which has less to do with coyotes killing deer but maybe Bobcats and Turkeys whatever the focus is.
In my opinion 1 group of coyotes on 640 acres can do some serious damage to your deer population. For that matter 1 could make a difference. How many times to you get hungry every day? Think about it he's out there killing something right now.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 10:31 AM
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I saw 5-6 in one pack this year and I normally hear two packs around the house so 8-12.
Would walk over a naked woman to get to a gobblin turkey!
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 11:30 AM
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In my opinion 1 group of coyotes on 640 acres can do some serious damage to your deer population. For that matter 1 could make a difference. How many times to you get hungry every day? Think about it he's out there killing something right now.
That’s part of what I’m pondering over. I’ve always been on the fence about whether or not trapping can be effective. Lets just say I end up taking off 5 yotes off of 500 acres……I’m wondering if those 5 would be significant or not. If we think there’s only 4 or 5 per sq/mi then it seems like it should…..at least for a time period. If we agree that the density is anywhere near that low then it shouldn’t take huge numbers of yote catches to make an impact until more move in. If we start talking about larger properties of 1000 or 2000 acres and catches of 15-20+ yotes.....then that's a pretty decent size hole in the yote density of that area. Since yotes travel like they do, it doesn't seem like it would take very many people doing that in an area to have an impact. Let's just say you had 10 people trapping in one county and they each caught 10-20+ yotes in the months leading up to fawn drop....Would that make a difference?
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 02:16 PM
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We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 02:48 PM
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/15/17 03:07 PM
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We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall. S O B!!!! 43??? That is a HUGE #!! Hell yea y'all made a difference. Even if you saved just 1 fawn per 2 coyotes that's BIG!! But that ratio is going to be closer to 2 fawns to 1 coyote I'd guess. The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
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05/16/17 04:18 AM
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We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall. S O B!!!! 43??? That is a HUGE #!! Hell yea y'all made a difference. Even if you saved just 1 fawn per 2 coyotes that's BIG!! But that ratio is going to be closer to 2 fawns to 1 coyote I'd guess. The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back. It was big no doubt. We are getting Chris King (shooters I think) to come back again this year. He is a beast when it comes to coyotes. Everyone wants to have their place trapped right before fawning season. We try to do spring and fawning season. I like the spring trapping time just as much if not more than the fawning season. My theory is I had rather catch those females before they give birth or right after they do. Fewer pups being born. I start seeing pups all over the place in July each year. I kill a bunch with the thermals. No doubt a female feeding pups will kill more fawns than one simply feeding herself. No doubt we are still learning about the impact coyotes have on game animals. I try to explain trapping to folks this way. Deer and turkey reproduce at a much slower pace than predators and hogs. You can't put off addressing these pests because it takes years for your game animals to recover. That fawn you save this summer won't be a mature buck for 4+ years. You can't put it off until next year. Just like liming your fields. It is a management practice that pays dividends. Yes, it cost money. But, the reward is worth the effort.
Alabama Hog Control, Inc. www.alabamahogcontrol.comBarry Estes The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
[Re: ElkHunter]
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05/16/17 04:29 AM
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I'm starting back trapping this weekend and will probably run all summer to bow season, take a brake, hit them in February and early March, brake then start back in May again. That's my schedule.
I'll never get rid of them. There is no way.
However I shot a couple 2 years ago, I was seeing them in the daylight.... and the first couple weeks this time last year the line was hot. I caught a lot quick. I caught what I believe to be both the Alphas first week and that threw the rest of them into a downward death spiral. I only caught 1 of 18 plus a couple stray dogs which are also a problem this past February and March.
I saw more fawns last year than I had seen in several previous years via camera survey. We'll see what happens this year, but based on my very limited case it made an impact year 1 IMO.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
[Re: CNC]
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05/16/17 04:45 AM
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I'm just guessing, but I'd say Redstone Arsenal (RSA) probably has 7-8 per sq. mile. Reason being, they don't ever get hunted. RSA is a breeding ground for coyotes. Same goes for deer, but (of course) the uncontrolled coyote population is killing the deer population, and will most likely totally wreck the deer population on RSA within the next 5-7 years. Maybe sooner than that.
One thing is for certain, hunters need to shoot EVERY coyote they see, EVERY time they see them. Like others have said, we'll never totally contain them, but you can bet they'll overrun your deer population if you don't take some measure to control them when you can.
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Re: Coyote Density Poll Question
[Re: centralala]
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05/16/17 08:06 AM
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The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back.
I agree…..but here’s the thing. Every single one of us will plant food plots this fall come hell or high water. Damn near everyone will put out feeders and check cameras, etc…..If predator trapping is ever gonna make any difference then it’s gonna need to be a management practice that becomes the norm for the whole group. I know not every property will do it….but if more and more folks will begin to participate, then it’ll damn sure knock ‘em back a little. I’m having a PM conversation now with one of my neighbors a few miles away about them participating in trapping too. Even though they're 4-5 miles to my south…..if they hammer their property hard….then that’s less immigrants that I have to worry about. What if I had another property owner hammering ‘em 4-5 miles to my north???…..and another 4-5 miles to my west??? It would just take getting enough folks participating to checkerboard the map with properties being trapped. Yotes travel enough that it wouldn’t take all properties participating.
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