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#2114646 - 05/15/17 12:38 PM Coyote Density Poll Question
CNC Offline
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I recognize upfront that this answer will vary depending on the area and habitat. Everyone just answer for the area you hunt and the most familiar with.

How many yotes do you think you have per square mile (640 acres) where you live or hunt? Think about the number of deer per sq/mi in your area to help draw a comparison. smile


Edited by CNC (05/15/17 12:38 PM)
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#2114660 - 05/15/17 12:51 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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My answer is 3-5……I had previously told someone else 6-7 but I think that may be high. I’m not really sure though to be honest. If you have say 30-40 deer per sq/mi which is not too bad….I’m guessing 8 or 10 yotes in that same square would decimate that fawn crop depending on habitat. Even just 5 grown yotes would likely get their fair share if you only have say 20 of those deer being older breeding does.


Edited by CNC (05/15/17 12:52 PM)
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#2114717 - 05/15/17 01:58 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Based on trapping figures I've got and I'm estimating a home range of 2 miles in Alabama's thick cover and target rich environment.

I'm say 4.5

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#2114730 - 05/15/17 02:07 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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I can post pics of 7-8 clearly different ones on 315 acres. No telling if they come and go or live there

One pic of 4 together

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#2114758 - 05/15/17 02:26 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Loc: North Alabama
Probably 2-3 would be a safe bet. Depending on the time of year. There's a lot to factor in on that guess

We don't have a real dense deer population

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#2114773 - 05/15/17 02:53 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: Fullthrottle]
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Yea, It is subjective. I have caught 18 from 4 spots in 2 different sections since about his time last year.

In one of those sections outside on these 2 spots I believe there are no coyotes to speak of on the rest of it. I am on some intersections and they are just passing through.

But to just kinda deepen the argument I have caught bobcat and fox on other areas in that section which has less to do with coyotes killing deer but maybe Bobcats and Turkeys whatever the focus is.

In my opinion 1 group of coyotes on 640 acres can do some serious damage to your deer population. For that matter 1 could make a difference. How many times to you get hungry every day? Think about it he's out there killing something right now.

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#2114814 - 05/15/17 03:28 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Loc: Auburn
I saw a pack of 8 running together opening weekend of rifle season this year on our 900 acres. I figure there's atleast another pack that large running around out there so I'd say 15 yotes on my 1.5 sq miles.

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#2114816 - 05/15/17 03:30 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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I had a pack of 13 run a doe across a road one morning in Marengo, they were down to 10 in the pack by the time they hit the tree line. I'd guess there were probably 25-35 on that 3000 acre tract. Maybe more. You'd here them howling in 3-4 different areas every night. Scat everywhere in the roads. Got a smaller place in South Dallas County thats around 500 acres and I have never heard one on it or seen any coyote sign whatsoever. Deer densities are pretty similar between the two properties.

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#2114817 - 05/15/17 03:31 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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I saw 5-6 in one pack this year and I normally hear two packs around the house so 8-12.
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#2114870 - 05/15/17 04:30 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: Goatkiller]
CNC Offline
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller


In my opinion 1 group of coyotes on 640 acres can do some serious damage to your deer population. For that matter 1 could make a difference. How many times to you get hungry every day? Think about it he's out there killing something right now.


That’s part of what I’m pondering over. I’ve always been on the fence about whether or not trapping can be effective. Lets just say I end up taking off 5 yotes off of 500 acres……I’m wondering if those 5 would be significant or not. If we think there’s only 4 or 5 per sq/mi then it seems like it should…..at least for a time period. If we agree that the density is anywhere near that low then it shouldn’t take huge numbers of yote catches to make an impact until more move in. If we start talking about larger properties of 1000 or 2000 acres and catches of 15-20+ yotes.....then that's a pretty decent size hole in the yote density of that area. Since yotes travel like they do, it doesn't seem like it would take very many people doing that in an area to have an impact. Let's just say you had 10 people trapping in one county and they each caught 10-20+ yotes in the months leading up to fawn drop....Would that make a difference?
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#2114986 - 05/15/17 07:16 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall.
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#2115008 - 05/15/17 07:48 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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3-4

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#2115014 - 05/15/17 07:56 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Loc: Auburn
CNC any kind of management "coop"erative that joins small track land owners to form a larger managed area would benefit everyone that hunted in that area. Think if you could get all your neighbors to manage their land like you do. It's doesnt take very many people to get thousands of acres on QDM

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#2115023 - 05/15/17 08:07 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: ElkHunter]
centralala Offline
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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall.


S O B!!!! 43??? That is a HUGE #!! Hell yea y'all made a difference. Even if you saved just 1 fawn per 2 coyotes that's BIG!! But that ratio is going to be closer to 2 fawns to 1 coyote I'd guess.

The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back.

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#2115231 - 05/15/17 11:18 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
turkey247 Offline
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Loc: LASW
Would need to get Nighthunter on here to give the exact numbers - but I believe we had a trapper catch 70 on a 7000 acre block about 5 or 6 years ago.

And I've hunted and worked on tracts that have more coyote sign than that 7000 acre block had before that summer. I believe some of y'all are way too low on your estimates.

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#2115359 - 05/16/17 09:14 AM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Registered: 06/24/16
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I think the AVERAGE number of coyotes per square mile is lower than most people think. Coyotes concentrate in areas of abundant food, meaning that a well managed hunting property that has high game numbers is going to draw coyotes from all around. It does NOT mean they stay there all the time. There are certain land features that coyotes use to travel long distances. Learn to identify these and you can catch huge numbers in small areas. When you catch 40 or 50 coyotes from one area you are catching coyotes from 0 to 10 or 12 miles out. I caught 67 coyotes in 18 days on a 200 acre cattle farm in Pike county. It all had to do with a land feature that all the coyotes for many miles around used as a travelway and the time of the year.

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#2115362 - 05/16/17 09:18 AM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: centralala]
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Loc: Prattville AL
Originally Posted By: centralala
Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
We coyote trapped our club in Wilcox County last year. About 4,000 acres. We caught 43 off of it. Our fawn sightings doubled this fall compared to last fall.


S O B!!!! 43??? That is a HUGE #!! Hell yea y'all made a difference. Even if you saved just 1 fawn per 2 coyotes that's BIG!! But that ratio is going to be closer to 2 fawns to 1 coyote I'd guess.

The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back.


It was big no doubt. We are getting Chris King (shooters I think) to come back again this year. He is a beast when it comes to coyotes. Everyone wants to have their place trapped right before fawning season. We try to do spring and fawning season.

I like the spring trapping time just as much if not more than the fawning season. My theory is I had rather catch those females before they give birth or right after they do. Fewer pups being born. I start seeing pups all over the place in July each year. I kill a bunch with the thermals. No doubt a female feeding pups will kill more fawns than one simply feeding herself.

No doubt we are still learning about the impact coyotes have on game animals.

I try to explain trapping to folks this way. Deer and turkey reproduce at a much slower pace than predators and hogs. You can't put off addressing these pests because it takes years for your game animals to recover. That fawn you save this summer won't be a mature buck for 4+ years. You can't put it off until next year. Just like liming your fields. It is a management practice that pays dividends. Yes, it cost money. But, the reward is worth the effort.
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#2115368 - 05/16/17 09:29 AM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: ElkHunter]
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Posts: 1736
Loc: B'ham
I'm starting back trapping this weekend and will probably run all summer to bow season, take a brake, hit them in February and early March, brake then start back in May again. That's my schedule.

I'll never get rid of them. There is no way.

However I shot a couple 2 years ago, I was seeing them in the daylight.... and the first couple weeks this time last year the line was hot. I caught a lot quick. I caught what I believe to be both the Alphas first week and that threw the rest of them into a downward death spiral. I only caught 1 of 18 plus a couple stray dogs which are also a problem this past February and March.

I saw more fawns last year than I had seen in several previous years via camera survey. We'll see what happens this year, but based on my very limited case it made an impact year 1 IMO.

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#2115385 - 05/16/17 09:45 AM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: CNC]
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Booner

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Posts: 12506
Loc: Huntsville, AL
I'm just guessing, but I'd say Redstone Arsenal (RSA) probably has 7-8 per sq. mile. Reason being, they don't ever get hunted. RSA is a breeding ground for coyotes. Same goes for deer, but (of course) the uncontrolled coyote population is killing the deer population, and will most likely totally wreck the deer population on RSA within the next 5-7 years. Maybe sooner than that.

One thing is for certain, hunters need to shoot EVERY coyote they see, EVERY time they see them. Like others have said, we'll never totally contain them, but you can bet they'll overrun your deer population if you don't take some measure to control them when you can.
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#2115549 - 05/16/17 01:06 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: centralala]
CNC Offline
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Loc: Macon Co
Originally Posted By: centralala


The problem is its a never ending process. You won't continue you catching those big #s but you can't quit or else in a few short years you're right back.


I agree…..but here’s the thing. Every single one of us will plant food plots this fall come hell or high water. Damn near everyone will put out feeders and check cameras, etc…..If predator trapping is ever gonna make any difference then it’s gonna need to be a management practice that becomes the norm for the whole group. I know not every property will do it….but if more and more folks will begin to participate, then it’ll damn sure knock ‘em back a little.

I’m having a PM conversation now with one of my neighbors a few miles away about them participating in trapping too. Even though they're 4-5 miles to my south…..if they hammer their property hard….then that’s less immigrants that I have to worry about. What if I had another property owner hammering ‘em 4-5 miles to my north???…..and another 4-5 miles to my west??? It would just take getting enough folks participating to checkerboard the map with properties being trapped. Yotes travel enough that it wouldn’t take all properties participating.
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#2115588 - 05/16/17 01:52 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: Goatkiller]
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Loc: Birmingham, AL
Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I only caught 1 of 18 plus a couple stray dogs which are also a problem


What do you do with stray dogs you catch?

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#2115608 - 05/16/17 02:29 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: ivanwright]
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Originally Posted By: ivanwright
Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I only caught 1 of 18 plus a couple stray dogs which are also a problem


What do you do with stray dogs you catch?
relocate them to a ditch... whistle
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#2115620 - 05/16/17 03:10 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: ElkHunter]
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Did you use the jager trap?


Edited by extreme heights hunter (05/16/17 06:15 PM)

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#2115711 - 05/16/17 05:43 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: Bustinbeards]
jbc Offline
snowflake

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Originally Posted By: Bustinbeards
Originally Posted By: ivanwright
Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
I only caught 1 of 18 plus a couple stray dogs which are also a problem


What do you do with stray dogs you catch?
relocate them to a ditch... whistle


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#2115721 - 05/16/17 06:02 PM Re: Coyote Density Poll Question [Re: jbc]
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What trap set up did yall use to catch that many...........
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