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Alabama Deer Years Ago
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05/09/17 02:12 AM
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McAlligator
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I was talking to my grandfather about the Great Depression Years/WW2 recently and the topic of deer came up. He grew up in Section (near Scottsboro) and lived there until he was 21. He left in approximately 1950 and told me nobody in Section ever saw any deer the whole time he can remember living there; he said he knows for a fact he never saw a single one in person as a child/adolescent until he moved away.
I knew people were poor & hungry, but that really surprised me. I'm guessing all the deer were killed off pretty quick? Does anybody know how long it took for them to come back to an appreciable level?
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 02:16 AM
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That's a really interesting question. Skinny wrote a paper about the history of deer in Alabama a while back and posted it. Maybe I or someone else can find that link ...
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 02:18 AM
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Here it is ... Deer in Alabama, a brief discussion of the last 12,000 years Well shoot, it discusses how the population goes down but not much during the 1900's when it came back. Either way though, he is the expert, hopefully he will chime in here and fill you in
Last edited by Rocket62; 05/09/17 02:19 AM.
I don't want to pass quietly into the night. I want to slide in sideways kickin and screamin Life really is awesome ... Soak it up while you can ...
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 02:22 AM
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I never saw a deer in Jefferson county along the Cahaba River when I was growing up and I spent a LOT of time along that river till I was 18 and left. I came back in 1992 and there were more deer there than in Greene County.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 03:06 AM
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They were wiped out by commercial hunters when Venison could be sold.
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 03:40 AM
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my maternal grandfather, who grew up in valley head, used to hunt deer from horseback down there. i think they did more drinking from horseback than actual hunting. i remember when my uncle jimmy killed a spike in the 1950s just on the tennessee side of what would be skyline today. it was huge news back then ...
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 03:40 AM
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They were wiped out by the CCC work camps during the depressions era. These camps did most of their work on State or Federal lands to build roads in the State and National parks. I am old enough to have talked to men who worked in these camps because there were no other jobs to be had and they had to eat. When the deer were released in Crenshaw county in the early 60s we would ride the roads on Saturday just to see if we could find tracks, this was a big deal and fun. I lived about 6-7 miles from the release area and it took about 15 years before the deer herd grew enough the see deer on our farm. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_Conservation_Corps
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 03:49 AM
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Clem
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A lot of factors helped create the decline in wildlife populations: the Civil War, Reconstruction, market hunting, the Depression and until the early 1900s no wildlife laws or regulations.
The same helped a decline in bird populations, too, especially market hunting and the fashion industry in the U.S. and Europe. Not just waterfowl, either. Songbirds were sold in markets in the Northeast and elsewhere. Christmas holiday shoots were big deals for families and towns, a sort of celebration. The annual Audubon Christmas Bird Counts were begun as a way to inventory birds but also try to stem the tide of the excessive shooting.
The restoration of deer, turkey and other wildlife in the Southeast is pretty amazing.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 03:52 AM
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There were a few in Jackson Co. mainly along the river prior to the restocking efforts in the late 50s and early 60's. My understanding it was rare to see some.
"Why do you ask"?
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
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05/09/17 04:00 AM
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But we dont' need no stinkin regulations! I havent killed a spiker-r-doe on my place in years!!!! A lot of factors helped create the decline in wildlife populations: the Civil War, Reconstruction, market hunting, the Depression and until the early 1900s no wildlife laws or regulations.
The same helped a decline in bird populations, too, especially market hunting and the fashion industry in the U.S. and Europe. Not just waterfowl, either. Songbirds were sold in markets in the Northeast and elsewhere. Christmas holiday shoots were big deals for families and towns, a sort of celebration. The annual Audubon Christmas Bird Counts were begun as a way to inventory birds but also try to stem the tide of the excessive shooting.
The restoration of deer, turkey and other wildlife in the Southeast is pretty amazing.
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 04:05 AM
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Who's advocating for no regulations?
Oh. No one.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
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05/09/17 08:15 AM
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Knew an old man from the vally 35 years ago. He was an indian and had lived there all his life. Told me he remembered seeing many bears before see deer.
LUCK:::; When presistence, dedication, perspiration and preparation meet up with opportunity!!! - - - - - - - -A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take everything you have. Thomas Jeferson - - - - - - - -
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: Clem]
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05/09/17 08:50 AM
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Who's advocating for no regulations?
Oh. No one.
C'mon man. You're butthurt every time someone mentions anything alluding to it.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: McAlligator]
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05/09/17 09:26 AM
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Clem
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Ah, I knew you'd chime in. You can't help yourself.
So I'll explain again, one final time and clearly enough that even you may understand since I know you're an intelligent guy. I know that. You and others who keep wanting more laws and regulations and whatnot are smart guys. You just can't help wanting everyone to be in lockstep, though, and that won't happen.
I don't want zero regulations and never have advocated for that. Ever. You and a few others get on the "anarchy!" kick because it's easy to be a knee-jerk reactionary throwing out idiotic labels instead of understanding that some folks just don't want or like more intrusion than what we have.
However, the reality is that laws and regulations exist and in some cases are needed. Conservation is one of them.
That's the reality. We have them. We just don't need MORE of them or to an excess or to the degree that people finally say "Ah, screw it." and quit.
See how that works? I know you do.
So, to reiterate: Who's advocating for no regulations?
Oh, right. No one.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Alabama Deer Years Ago
[Re: Clem]
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05/09/17 09:48 AM
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Ah, I knew you'd chime in. You can't help yourself.
So I'll explain again, one final time and clearly enough that even you may understand since I know you're an intelligent guy. I know that. You and others who keep wanting more laws and regulations and whatnot are smart guys. You just can't help wanting everyone to be in lockstep, though, and that won't happen.
I don't want zero regulations and never have advocated for that. Ever. You and a few others get on the "anarchy!" kick because it's easy to be a knee-jerk reactionary throwing out idiotic labels instead of understanding that some folks just don't want or like more intrusion than what we have.
However, the reality is that laws and regulations exist and in some cases are needed. Conservation is one of them.
That's the reality. We have them. We just don't need MORE of them or to an excess or to the degree that people finally say "Ah, screw it." and quit.
See how that works? I know you do.
So, to reiterate: Who's advocating for no regulations?
Oh, right. No one.
So you aren't against them (meaning laws, rules, regulations, etc.).... you are only saying you want the ones that you specifically want or that benefit you or possibly don't impact you. Nothing that would benefit others. There is no need in your opinion. You don't need them so nobody else does. You don't care about others. As long as you are ok then everyone else can go F-themselves. That's what I read into what you just wrote.
No government employees were harmed in the making of this mess.
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