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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: timbercruiser] #2104274
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
Ya'll don't have the deer or they ain't hungry. Mine aren't near that thick and tall cause the deer liked them and ate them down.

i can promise you we have plenty of deer. They eat them down in the winter to the dirt. Your deer continue to utilize fall annual plantings all summer? Our deer transition off them with the spring green up. Cows can't even eat a winter wheat field down after April.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: timbercruiser] #2104294
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
Ya'll don't have the deer or they ain't hungry. Mine aren't near that thick and tall cause the deer liked them and ate them down.


Have a utilization cage to show they are actually eaten down?

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2104303
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Obviously the pic was photoshopped. That for wheeler doesn't have any tires on it. Everybody knows they don't run on tracks.

Sweet results there Fur. &#128512;


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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2104311
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Fur. You get covered in chiggers stomping around in that ?

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2104454
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Just imagine what you would of had if you had done it right. frown

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2104559
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Mine is about 5' tall now. My plan is to sew my seed and bush hog down over the top, just like i've been doing for years now. Put the tractor up and watch it grow.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2104642
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I don't understand the animosity here? It's not a competition. The goal is to just share what works for you on your place not put down what works for others. Some of you guys are just a bunch of assholes.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: toothdoc] #2104833
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Originally Posted By: toothdoc
I don't understand the animosity here? It's not a competition. The goal is to just share what works for you on your place not put down what works for others. Some of you guys are just a bunch of assholes.


True. It seems it has become a competition between the slobs ( old schoolers that like to plow) and the snobs ( throw and mow).



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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: toothdoc] #2106390
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Originally Posted By: toothdoc
I don't understand the animosity here? It's not a competition. The goal is to just share what works for you on your place not put down what works for others. Some of you guys are just a bunch of assholes.


I'm quite certain I'm an asshole, does that make you a prick for calling me one? I don't know who yanked your chain.


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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2106440
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I like seeing all the options, if it works for you use it. We have one guy in our lease with a tractor and have to do the best we can with what we have to work with. We disc some and throw n mow some, results vary with each every year, but the deer don't really care how we got it to grow grin

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2106480
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This is just my opinion, but throw and mow possibly works better for summer plots because of massive seed banks that are disturbed by discing and then allowed to grow unchecked. If you're spraying that changes everything.

I've had a no till drlll for a few years but I've never planted summer plots with it for a couple reasons. One, a club member loves seeing corn so I've always used the corn planter for that. Two, I needed to practice with it at home and wasn't comfortable with high dollar seed. Three, it was a towed drill that made for transport logistics issues.

I've now converted the drill to a lift model. I've also become more proficient with spraying over a few years and am comfortable with my rig now. So this year is a grand experiment in no till summer plots that I sprayed 3 weeks ago. We have significant weed competition from coffee weed and some other pasture weeds (and also cogongrass). I'm hoping by not disturbing the seed bank too much my plot quality will increase over discing and broadcasting. If not, then next year I'll do a full roundup ready planting ($$$$) of corn and soybeans and win the battle for one year at least. I could also alter my planting mix to only use plants that can be grown into ground sprayed with dual ii magnum (a preemergent herbicide). We'll see what happens but I'm excited about this year.

I don't see me personally doing a throw and mow in the fall. But--I know it works just fine in the right places and circumstances. I think my germination is better. But again, I've already invested in the equipment for this and other uses, so it doesn't "cost" me much in terms of equipment to do a traditional prep and plant. If it did cost me, I'd be practicing my throw and mow!

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2106747
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Looks like a good mulch cover going for a mow and throw application grin


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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2106793
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Cynical, actually throw and mow works better in the fall, because most of the seed you are planting is tiny. Most people on here has top sewed clover into an existing stand to thicken it and that works well, with absolutely no disking. I plant buckwheat and after it seeds out i bushhog it and it reseeds itself very well without disking, just like grasses. I can usually get 3 crops of buckwheat from one planting in one summer. I went to T&M because of all the rocks on my farm, but now i use it on my club as well. Now i don't have to haul my heavy tractor down there. It will work for most, but not for all, its according to your soil type.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: blumsden] #2106833
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Originally Posted By: blumsden
Cynical, actually throw and mow works better in the fall, because most of the seed you are planting is tiny.


Yep, it’s hard to go wrong with cereal rye and clover in the fall. smile


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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2106888
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Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I've learned on aldeer over the last couple of years that disking up food plots is bad, bad, bad. I also read that you can't improve soil quality by plowing in cover crops.

Apparently I haven't completely ruined this spot of ground. I planted this plot on 11/29/16. Yes, I cut the soil, spread the seed, and cut it in. I put 250 lbs of 15-5-10 per acre at planting.
I waited for rain to plant it. That's my Honda 4 wheeler sitting in there amongst the vegetation.

It's Cereal Rye, Wheat, Crimson Clover and Rape.





Hey Fur, you gonna roll that for hay or turn the cows in on it?



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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2107035
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I purposely try not to jump in on every discussion about food plotting with a…..”You should throw n mow”….kind of answer. Like right now, I’d love to jump into the thread about how long it takes to prep a field for planting and compare that to how long it takes to throw n mow a plot…..but I’m not gonna do that. grin However, Fur and Friends are directly calling me out on this thread so I’m gonna indulge a little and fire away for a moment…….. gun

The worst thing about folks bashing others for trying a different method is that it turns the discussion into a simple black and white issue….Which way are you planting???….throw n mow vs tillage???? Choose your side!!!!.

It’s a much deeper discussion though. The much more important part to understand is that we’re just trying to manage our plots using good soil health principles. It’s more important that you have a good understanding of how soil functions and the effects that different management practices have on those functions. Then you can decide for yourself what is best for your soil. Much of it can be learned through using your own eyes with an open mind. We as humans have a bad tendency to become more and more closed minded as we age and it causes new ideas to become a tough psychological hurdle to overcome. Our brains are already preprogrammed to want to see things in a certain way. At that point it’s not just an opinion any longer….but a mindset.

Years ago I posted the pic below on another site to show the pretty sunflowers that were popping the ground….that’s all I was seeing at the time. Five years later when I look at the same pic, all I can see is the severe soil erosion that’s taken place…..the loss of nutrients…..the loss of any organic topsoil…..the loss of productivity. Those sunflowers made little difference that summer as far as the deer were concerned but it came at a high cost to my wallet, my arse, and most importantly my soil.




The goal these days is to continually go in the other direction….BUILD the soil….become MORE fertile……become MORE productive…..efficiently use resources…..spend less on time and costs. Here’s a fall throw n mow planting……no herbicide…..no disking……no cultipacking……no multiple weekends to make it happen…..Just broadcasting seed/nutrients and mowing at the proper time, into rich topsoil








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Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: FurFlyin] #2107071
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We still talking about what rye, wheat, and crimson clover looks like the first week of May? I mean gosh dang!!

The state grows crimson clover on the side of the highway where seed falls off of a truck - every spring - without even trying - that you can hide a 4 wheeler in.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: turkey247] #2107089
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Originally Posted By: turkey247


The state grows crimson clover on the side of the highway where seed falls off of a truck - every spring - without even trying - that you can hide a 4 wheeler in.


That's a good point. They're not out there with a big heavy disc.

Re: Evil plowed food plot [Re: 2Dogs] #2107097
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
I've learned on aldeer over the last couple of years that disking up food plots is bad, bad, bad. I also read that you can't improve soil quality by plowing in cover crops.

Apparently I haven't completely ruined this spot of ground. I planted this plot on 11/29/16. Yes, I cut the soil, spread the seed, and cut it in. I put 250 lbs of 15-5-10 per acre at planting.
I waited for rain to plant it. That's my Honda 4 wheeler sitting in there amongst the vegetation.

It's Cereal Rye, Wheat, Crimson Clover and Rape.





Hey Fur, you gonna roll that for hay or turn the cows in on it?


Roll it.


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