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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2100400
04/28/17 07:39 AM
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I'm not. I'm speaking in general about public lands throughout the US, state and fed.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: Clem] #2100506
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Originally Posted By: Clem
FW went in on a significant portion of the Delta acquisition, if I recall right, about 10-15 years ago.

To the point about Bryant, FW always has worked to keep the prices low and has not hidden that fact. They don't trumpet it but they don't deny trying to get the lowest price(s) possible. They know once word gets out, people automatically think "Heh, they have a shitpile of money so let's run up the price!" The reality is they do only have x-amount of money to spend and use for management.

If anyone keeps up with FW, too, they never announce what tracts they're considering for that specific purpose - to keep people (or groups) from running up the prices. They've done that since FW's inception. Other land acquisition groups in other states do the same, just like anyone in the public buying a piece of land. If I was looking at 500 acres I wouldn't be going around talking about it and then have to deal with Jacky Dumbass next door trying to pay more. Word may get out but it wouldn't be because I (or FW, in their case), went around tooting horns about it.

Like any government agency they're probably not perfect but IMO they're far from evil scoundrels and are a benefit to the state.


I've been to a lot of land auctions , never seen anyone ask a major player not to run the price up. I ve seen buyers get a bargain and still complain about the #2 bidder running up the price. It's a public auction, if you can pay for it, set a price and bid, because the other guy dang sure will.



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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: 2Dogs] #2100530
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I've been to a lot of land auctions , never seen anyone ask a major player not to run the price up.


That would be weird at an auction, I agree. Wouldn't surprise me if the FW folks did it, though. I've always heard them, from Day 1, talk about trying to get the lowest prices possible and being hush-hush about any land-related discussions or purchases. They wouldn't even drop hints or anything.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: 2Dogs] #2100661
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Originally Posted By: 2Dogs
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Please keep in mind FW only buys land that the land owner brings to them asking them to buy it. They are not going to the owners looking to buy.


This may not be entirely accurate. Their mission statement says they seek to buy lands that exist in environmentally sensitive areas. They are not forcing anyone to sell property, but they may very well inquire if a specific tract could be purchased. I don't know for certain, that's just my interpretation based on some of the things I've read.


I saw/heard FW big shots at a land auction beg Paul Bryant Jr. not to run the price up on them as they only had X number of $ to spend. FW has worn their welcome out in Jackson Co. with many locals. Starting about 15 years ago, folks from LA should have been screaming for them to buy land in their areas.


From reading the meeting minutes of the last couple of years the impression I got was that they are not seeking but being approached. I may be incorrect, it's happened before.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: N2TRKYS] #2100694
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
Originally Posted By: Clem

I don't understand the hatred for public lands - state or federal - and desire to shut them down, sell them or whatever.

If they're sold they will not be public land anymore. They'll be developed, scoured, raped and privatized. Rivers access will be closed. Foreign owners likely would be in play.

And then all the bitching about not having anywhere to go, hunting-outdoors opportunities are "only for the rich!" and all the other idiotic bulldoodoo complaining that exists NOW from a lot of people would only get worse.



If you're referring to me, then you're way off base. To the contrary, actually.


So what is your beef with FW?


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: CatHeadBiscuit] #2100767
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From reading the meeting minutes of the last couple of years the impression I got was that they are not seeking but being approached. I


The majority of FW properties that are considered are offered by the landowner. They also get word of tracts from organizations or folks who know a tract's landowner may be interested.

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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: N2TRKYS] #2100822
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Originally Posted By: N2TRKYS
I hope they shut Forever Wild down.


Please elaborate what your issue is with FW, many of us want to know


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: jawbone] #2101271
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If you do I know a Nigerian prince that needs to hide his money in the US before his evil uncle takes it.

I know that guy, too! I only had to send him $500 to cover handling and processing fees, along with my bank numbers, and he's gonna let me keep $25,000,000 of the money he's going to put in my account! I can hardly wait! smile


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2103219
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Guys, I don't see what's wrong with FW. It's not their fault if the gvmnt comes after tax dollars. Why not set aside land that will never be developed?

I support FW... at least what I know about it.

Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2103228
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I guess we will just have to speculate why N2TRKYS doesn't like Forever Wild. I'll go with one of the board members beat him up and stole his lunch money in the third grade until he explains.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2103432
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I did a job bout a year ago for a guy that was running for state auditor. I didn't fully understand what he was saying but he said that fw was a back door way for the guberment to sell natural resources to other country's.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: !shiloh!] #2103458
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Originally Posted By: mandeerpig
I did a job bout a year ago for a guy that was running for state auditor. I didn't fully understand what he was saying but he said that fw was a back door way for the guberment to sell natural resources to other countries.


Now that would be a legit gripe if they've sold any.


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Originally Posted By: jawbone
I guess we will just have to speculate why N2TRKYS doesn't like Forever Wild. I'll go with one of the board members beat him up and stole his lunch money in the third grade until he explains.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2107635
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Geezzzzz! I don't see why the hatred. 2Dogs, if you're buying land, wouldn't you want the best price? Nothing wrong with trying to get the lowest price. I WOULD attempt that and everybody on this site would too!!

I'd rather FW buy the land than to have it developed by some greedy developer and the developer build houses or a Walmart on the property.

I just don't get it why FW is being demonized.

Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2107651
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With one set of posts talking about $30 an acre leases, there has to be some level of public land ownership. Otherwise hunting and gun ownership will be reserved for richest of ya'll. This excludes the likes of me.

Selling our natural resources to other countries isn't exactly a new concept. It would be a big problem if that's being done under the table with the monies not making by back into the general fund nor FW. Money getting skimmed in government isn't exactly a new concept either. Which gets us back to taxing the lands of a state agency.

Lest we be accused of favoritism all federal, state, county and local government lands need to pay advolorum property taxes to the general fund. That way the money can be swung in and out of various accounts until the origins are untraceable. It's called money laundering. Taxing the property of one state program is no moe or less stupid than taxing all of them.

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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: Antlerfluke] #2107673
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Originally Posted By: Antlerfluke
Geezzzzz! I don't see why the hatred. 2Dogs, if you're buying land, wouldn't you want the best price? Nothing wrong with trying to get the lowest price. I WOULD attempt that and everybody on this site would too!!

I'd rather FW buy the land than to have it developed by some greedy developer and the developer build houses or a Walmart on the property.

I just don't get it why FW is being demonized.


They have 10's of thousands of acres in Jackson Co. Don't have the $ to manage and maintain it properly. Why in the name of Chuck didn't they get some of that oil windfall money set aside for management when it was renewed a few years ago is beyond me. It's off the tax rolls, gone forever. Jackson Co. needs all they can get as they're always broke. Go figure. I was talking with a gentleman who was on the FW board several years ago, he is disgruntled with FW now.
As far as development , I don't know what they buy in LA, but in Jackson Co. it's probably the most rugged land in the state. Not gonna be any subdivisions and Wally Worlds on it.
I do want the " best price" , that would be low when buying, high when selling. smile Has nothing to do with it.



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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2111814
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Without FW, I wouldn't be able to hunt. FW does what it does well, and I have 0 faith that the Montgomery Morons will be able to do anything productive with the money they're after.

If I thought this money could do 1 cent of good for education, business development, or public safety, I could be persuaded to let it go, but, considering our former Gov ordered a taxpayer funded helicopter to run halfway across the state for his forgotten wallet, I'd rather have my hunting land stay the way it is.

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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: centralala] #2111882
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I went to the Forever Wild Board meeting in Spanish Fort today. After Commissioner Guy made some preliminary remarks, the floor was open to public comment. Several landowners spoke to the board requesting Forever Wild buy their land. There was no arm twisting by the board, these people specifically want to sell to Forever Wild.

Big Canoe Creek Preserve in Springville received supporting comments from their local State Representative, a St. Clair county commissioner, and the mayor of Springville. The Mayor said while some counties don't appreciate Forever Wild, St. Clair county and Springville have done the math and they understand the economic and conservation benefits and they are ready to go.

All of the procedures for land purchase were discussed at length. It was clear Forever Wild cannot pay more than appraised value, so they have no way to outbid anyone. Also, Forever Wild must set aside 15% of the appraised value in a stewardship fund for maintenance, so, yes, they did think of that.

There were 26 properties on the short list for consideration, but only $7.6 million available for this fiscal year. The properties are evaluated based on highest use and graded accordingly. The board is tasked with making final decisions regarding best use of the available money.

The experience was enlightening and well worth the time. It's clear the arguments often made against Forever Wild are simply untrue. Some special properties are being considered for addition to our public WMAs, which is great news considering our net loss of WMA land over the last few years. I would definitely recommend everyone attend one of these meetings.

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Thanks for that update and filling everyone in on the agenda.


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Re: Forever Wild. [Re: Cheaha] #2111977
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Originally Posted By: Cheaha
I went to the Forever Wild Board meeting in Spanish Fort today. After Commissioner Guy made some preliminary remarks, the floor was open to public comment. Several landowners spoke to the board requesting Forever Wild buy their land. There was no arm twisting by the board, these people specifically want to sell to Forever Wild.

Big Canoe Creek Preserve in Springville received supporting comments from their local State Representative, a St. Clair county commissioner, and the mayor of Springville. The Mayor said while some counties don't appreciate Forever Wild, St. Clair county and Springville have done the math and they understand the economic and conservation benefits and they are ready to go.

All of the procedures for land purchase were discussed at length. It was clear Forever Wild cannot pay more than appraised value, so they have no way to outbid anyone. Also, Forever Wild must set aside 15% of the appraised value in a stewardship fund for maintenance, so, yes, they did think of that.

There were 26 properties on the short list for consideration, but only $7.6 million available for this fiscal year. The properties are evaluated based on highest use and graded accordingly. The board is tasked with making final decisions regarding best use of the available money.

The experience was enlightening and well worth the time. It's clear the arguments often made against Forever Wild are simply untrue. Some special properties are being considered for addition to our public WMAs, which is great news considering our net loss of WMA land over the last few years. I would definitely recommend everyone attend one of these meetings.


Couple of questions , who does the appraisals? Is the 15% management money for the full time the state will own the property? Does the 15% come from oil windfall money as does money to purchase?

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