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Timber Companies #2095263
04/23/17 12:32 AM
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Will they ever learn to respect the consistent calculated revenue they have from club leases. Rant over

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095267
04/23/17 12:39 AM
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I doubt it



Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095277
04/23/17 01:31 AM
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I been watching them for many years, been a part of leases. The answer is no. But likewise, I've seen individual landowners screw hunters over too, though usually not to the same degree.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095331
04/23/17 03:20 AM
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A low supply of land results in an increase in demand. There's always someone else who will gladly sign the lease. Basic economics. Sad but true.

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Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095373
04/23/17 03:59 AM
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here is the problem. My son had land leased for a set amount and the lease was for 3 years. After three years which was this year other folks were allowed to bid and he was allowed to match the bid amount. He was paying $8000.00. Someone bid $15000. He cannot pay this so he told them he couldn't pay that he would remove the stands he had up. They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: deerman24] #2095415
04/23/17 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.


What you do today, you have to sleep with tonight.
Re: Timber Companies [Re: dBmV] #2095437
04/23/17 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted By: dBmV
Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: dBmV] #2095444
04/23/17 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted By: dBmV
Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.


X infinity. No chance in hell I don't go get my stuff


If you want to always win, never play anyone better than you!
Re: Timber Companies [Re: dBmV] #2095448
04/23/17 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted By: dBmV
Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.


This is the first I've ever heard of such BS, What company did this?
I'm with BmV, wouldn't matter what they said, they would not bully me outa what's mine. it may be their property, but I'd go get my property off of it.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095479
04/23/17 05:50 AM
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Unless that clause was specified in the lease agreement, they cannot stop you from retrieving your property. And if that clause was in the agreement it was stupid to sign it.


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Re: Timber Companies [Re: SkinnertonOutlaw] #2095482
04/23/17 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: SkinnertonOutlaw

Originally Posted By: dBmV
Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.


This is the first I've ever heard of such BS, What company did this?
I'm with BmV, wouldn't matter what they said, they would not bully me outa what's mine. it may be their property, but I'd go get my property off of it.


It may not be bullying. If they had the right to tell him not to go on the property, I'm guessing his lease had expired. Many leases expressly state that anything left on property after termination is deemed abandoned by the tenant and ownership goes to landlord. Therefore it may no longer be your property, and you would be trespassing and stealing to "go get my property." You wouldn't break back into an apartment after your lease ended to get a couch you left.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095510
04/23/17 06:35 AM
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I'd take that chance.


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Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095512
04/23/17 06:38 AM
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i thought leases ran aug to aug ????

if he could put up a stand last april why can't he take one down now ?

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095517
04/23/17 06:43 AM
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I think people have too high of expectations when it comes to timber leases honestly. Large timber companies could shut down their lease programs, be fine financially, and probably deal with a lot less drama and headaches for doing so. Hunting leases to a timber company are the equivalent of cotton gin trash to a cotton company. The timber companies view leases more like a public conservation program or charity than a big profit maker. They charge for leases to cover the overhead of having a lease program. So when you call up a billion dollar company griping about not having enough food plots or the timing of when they sprayed or cut timber, you can guess how much they care. They especially won't cater to someone with a hundred questions and concerns about a $1,500 lease. Hunting leases are far outside their core mission as a company. So if you hate leasing, buy your own land or hunt public, but there is no sense in griping about the big companies.

One day I guarantee you they will all either quit leasing or simply lease all recreation rights to the states in exchange for tax incentives.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: ALclearcut] #2095533
04/23/17 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted By: ALclearcut
I think people have too high of expectations when it comes to timber leases honestly. Large timber companies could shut down their lease programs, be fine financially, and probably deal with a lot less drama and headaches for doing so. Hunting leases to a timber company are the equivalent of cotton gin trash to a cotton company. The timber companies view leases more like a public conservation program or charity than a big profit maker. They charge for leases to cover the overhead of having a lease program. So when you call up a billion dollar company griping about not having enough food plots or the timing of when they sprayed or cut timber, you can guess how much they care. They especially won't cater to someone with a hundred questions and concerns about a $1,500 lease. Hunting leases are far outside their core mission as a company. So if you hate leasing, buy your own land or hunt public, but there is no sense in griping about the big companies.

One day I guarantee you they will all either quit leasing or simply lease all recreation rights to the states in exchange for tax incentives.


I agree with you to an extent. I think your wrong on the money. Yes, in the big scheme, its not much. But to that CEO sit in a big office in NY City that has never even seen a pine tree, its revenue. And he is ALL about revenue. So, they hire people like Rebelman to lease the land, catch all the BS, and the CEO only knows about the $$$....nor does he care about anything else. The corporate world and its not just limited to the timber industry.

The situation described doesn't strike me as a usual way of doing business for most. The people with boots on the ground (Rebelman) usually have a better understanding of the recreationl side and right vs. wrong than what was described. But if the insurance policy had expired......

Re: Timber Companies [Re: 59Hunter] #2095537
04/23/17 07:10 AM
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Conecuh/Monroe Alabama
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Originally Posted By: 59Hunter
Originally Posted By: SkinnertonOutlaw

Originally Posted By: dBmV
Originally Posted By: deerman24
They told him he was not allowed to go on the property and the stands were theirs. Timber companies do this.

I don't care what they said I would be going and getting my stuff.


This is the first I've ever heard of such BS, What company did this?
I'm with BmV, wouldn't matter what they said, they would not bully me outa what's mine. it may be their property, but I'd go get my property off of it.


It may not be bullying. If they had the right to tell him not to go on the property, I'm guessing his lease had expired. Many leases expressly state that anything left on property after termination is deemed abandoned by the tenant and ownership goes to landlord. Therefore it may no longer be your property, and you would be trespassing and stealing to "go get my property." You wouldn't break back into an apartment after your lease ended to get a couch you left.


I completely understand all that, but we are not talking about a couch that was just left behind. from the way I read it, he had no intent to give up his lease, He had paid his dues of $8000 and the company decided to let others bid on the lease, they got a high bid and then offered him the chance to match the bid or give up the lease. He didn't want to pay the $15k for the hunting so he told them he couldn't afford it and would be getting his things.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095540
04/23/17 07:10 AM
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Well the lease will run from said date to said date, and that can differ for everyone. I know most anything I've seen it will express somewhere within the contract that they reserve the right to modify or end terms based on criteria they deem worthy within that contract.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: 59Hunter] #2095560
04/23/17 07:44 AM
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true lease has expired and according to att. friend if you have no lease u are trespassing.

Re: Timber Companies [Re: billrv] #2095570
04/23/17 08:08 AM
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I would get my stands or they would regret it..

Re: Timber Companies [Re: timbercruiser] #2095610
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
I would get my stands or they would regret it..


And I wouldn't be talking about it on the world wide web. In fact, I would deny so much I'd start to believe my own lie.

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