Dinosaurs were on the ark. How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons? Some people can't see the forest for the trees. I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together. However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.
The Bible references 2 of every KIND, the original animals, not 2 of every species or variety we have today. Think Genus of Family in taxonomy. Over time through changes on a micro level, adaptation or selection etc...we have the species we have today. Very hard to accept without a true relationship with God....sounds kind of crazy on its own.
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Re: So I've got this buddy....
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#2094128 04/21/1711:29 AM04/21/1711:29 AM
Dinosaurs were on the ark. How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons? Some people can't see the forest for the trees. I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together. However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.
The Bible references 2 of every KIND, the original animals, not 2 of every species or variety we have today. Think Genus of Family in taxonomy. Over time through changes on a micro level, adaptation or selection etc...we have the species we have today. Very hard to accept without a true relationship with God....sounds kind of crazy on its own.
Very easy to accept at face-value. Still didn't iron out the logistical piyfalls, but I'm assuming those don't matter. "God did it."
It is easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled.
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[Re: straycat]
#2094136 04/21/1711:43 AM04/21/1711:43 AM
Dinosaurs were on the ark. How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons? Some people can't see the forest for the trees. I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together. However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.
The Bible references 2 of every KIND, the original animals, not 2 of every species or variety we have today. Think Genus of Family in taxonomy. Over time through changes on a micro level, adaptation or selection etc...we have the species we have today. Very hard to accept without a true relationship with God....sounds kind of crazy on its own.
Again,... not being contrary,...
But that's called "evolution" for the other side of the argument, and is the exact same point you're making
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#2094137 04/21/1711:45 AM04/21/1711:45 AM
Dinosaurs were on the ark. How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons? Some people can't see the forest for the trees. I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together. However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.
Back then, the continents hadn't separated yet, you nut. The talking serpent told me so.
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#2094171 04/21/1712:23 PM04/21/1712:23 PM
The Atlanta airport landing strip is about 2.2 miles long if I remember correctly. It looks flat but there is around a 14ft difference from one side to the other. Due to earth curvature. So it's not flat proof of a level rod.
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Re: So I've got this buddy....
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#2094474 04/21/1706:58 PM04/21/1706:58 PM
Dinosaurs were on the ark. How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons? Some people can't see the forest for the trees. I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together. However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.
The Bible references 2 of every KIND, the original animals, not 2 of every species or variety we have today. Think Genus of Family in taxonomy. Over time through changes on a micro level, adaptation or selection etc...we have the species we have today. Very hard to accept without a true relationship with God....sounds kind of crazy on its own.
Again,... not being contrary,...
But that's called "evolution" for the other side of the argument, and is the exact same point you're making
Wrong. That's "micro evolution" or adaptation, natural selection or variation....which is real, observable and over short time spans. What I described is not macro evolution which is the alleged sweeping large changes from one transforming into an entirely new oragnism. Completely different.
Macro Evolution is not two head of cattle turning into all the various species and variations of cattle, for example. Or dogs or cats, or deer. That is adaptation, natural selection or variation...aka micro evolution.
To date there is zero evidence based in fact for long aged transitional form macro evolution, other than hypothesis and reaching speculation that progressive atheist power players within the halls of academia have arbitrarily declared as fact/"settled science".
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#2094503 04/22/1712:42 AM04/22/1712:42 AM
However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.
I've dealt with a number of them going the opposite direction.
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[Re: Solo]
#2094528 04/22/1701:59 AM04/22/1701:59 AM
AwwStan, I wish we could all be as intelligent and enlightened as you. I can pick certain parts of the Bible to ridicule and make jokes, too. But what if you're wrong? What if the Bible is true, and you are wrong? See, if I'm wrong, I just rot and become fertilizer. But if you're wrong, you burn in hell for eternity. That's a serious gamble.
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#2094569 04/22/1703:33 AM04/22/1703:33 AM
Not only is the earth flat, it's square and the sun rotates around it. I'll start gathering evidence for my theory and we'll debate it in about 50 years.
I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.
Not only is the earth flat, it's square and the sun rotates around it. I'll start gathering evidence for my theory and we'll debate it in about 50 years.
I'll bring the beer Wiley....
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Re: So I've got this buddy....
[Re: Out back]
#2095109 04/22/1703:29 PM04/22/1703:29 PM
AwwStan, I wish we could all be as intelligent and enlightened as you. I can pick certain parts of the Bible to ridicule and make jokes, too. But what if you're wrong? What if the Bible is true, and you are wrong? See, if I'm wrong, I just rot and become fertilizer. But if you're wrong, you burn in hell for eternity. That's a serious gamble.
I'm not enlightened, and I'm not ridiculing anything. I'm acknowledging the parts of the story that no one talks about because they get scared to ask questions. Notice how no one attempted to explain what I highlighted. I'm an average guy that is thinking critically. I'm at a point where people telling me to "shut up" or "stop asking questions" or "talking dangerously" doesn't bother me.
And the second part of your statement refers to Pascal's Wager in which he acknowledges everyone hedges on their belief system being right. The idea that we'd accept a belief system based on getting into Heaven is selfish on our part and cruel on the part of God. Faith as fear dressed up as virtue is in my mind not admirable. I could write pages on these concepts but that's my short-handed response cuz I just don't feel like writing a lot.
*And I don't know if Heaven and Hell is real in whatever form that might be. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. From my position, the Bible is written and influenced by men in another attempt to make sense of it all.
It is easier to fool a man than to convince him he has been fooled.
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[Re: Solo]
#2095124 04/22/1703:41 PM04/22/1703:41 PM
Sorry for the departure from the original topic of "round earth".
While we are on the subject, where did the piss and chit go from the animals on the ark? What did they have to eat and drink? Were there insects on the ark? Where did all that water go afterward? What did the animals eat after they got off the boat if everything was dead? There's a lot more to it than two of every animal got on a boat when you think about it.
You know it wasn't really two of every animal. Not sure how that false hood became common knowledge.
The talking serpent told me so.
