Who tells me that the world is flat. He is absolutely convinced and says that everything you were taught growing up was wrong. All the space pictures are faked and he then points me towards the Gleason map, which I googled.

He says that pilots know that the earth is not round and that they have always questioned the routes taken on flights.

Any takers?

I'm just going to leave this here for Geno...

I can't wait 'til deer season gets here again.

You may want to find some smarter friends.

Is he really serious?

I hope I'm not on a plane when the pilot goes to sleep and overshoots the edge.

lol

Tell him to start walking and send you a picture of him standing on the edge.

I've got a buddy that doesn't believe it is cheaper to hire a fifteen hundred dollar hooker anytime you want a little shot rather than getting married and getting cut off, but you keep on paying anyway.

I knowed that history teacher was smoking that chit try to tell us the world was round

Bobby told Lucy it was so got be true

Solo, I know a guy that is the same way. He actually thinks there is an ice wall around the edge of the earth that makes up the border.

His biggest “evidence” is that, if we were really spinning around that everything would fly off of the earth. He supposes that when he jumps into the air, the world should continue to spin and he should land in a different spot. He was telling me this as we drove down the road one day. I took my pocket knife and started tossing it up and catching it. Then I asked him why that knife didn’t hit the back window since we were going 60 mph? You guessed it: no answer. Right on to his next “evidence.”

My wife and I had never laughed so hard at some of the stuff spewing out his mouth. We've been friends for over 20 years and our wife's have been best friends since Kindergarten.

He's a good guy but some of things he believes is crazy...

I watched a video on Facebook from one of these guy's last week. He gave the illustration of flying as his point. If you take off from the South Pole and fly to the North pole, you're right side up. However, if you fly from the North Pole to the South Pole, you should be upside down. These people are IDOTS. There's no real orientation of the earth in space. All orientation is relative to earth's gravitational pull, which pulls towards the core.

He live in Bibb County?

You realize that based on his logic, you proved his point? Lol. He's saying that if the earth was spinning, that knife should hit the back window. If it doesn't, it supports his theory. It's then up to you to provide a counterpoint as to why his theory is incorrect.

Hell, we've got some folks on here that believe the world is only a few thousand years old and dinosaur bones are fake.

No he is saying that if the earth is moving he would land in a different spot because he goes up and the earth keeps going. Same with the knife. If they are moving and the knife goes up, the truck stays going and the knife hits the window. His example proved that the object going up doesn't stay in place while the truck/earth continues to move. It all still moves together.

I wish we could put up a fence around San Francisco and south to the border and east to maybe the Nevada line. Then all the animal "rights" wackos, the flat earth folks and others could be put into the Free Range Big Pen to figure out how to live without getting thrown off the earth due to gravity, fight off bears and mountain lions, and handle themselves with earthquakes.

All the good wine, weed, hunting and bass fishing is north of San Fran, so we can spare the CaliYankees for a while.

Negative. I proved that an object that goes up and down can still land in the same spot even though the whole area was moving 60 mph down the road. By his logic, when I toss the knife up, the vehicle should "drive out" from under it. It did not.

His friend's theory is that IF the earth was spinning, which he doesn't believe it is, the knife would land in a different spot. Since the knife doesn't land in a different spot, he's providing support to his theory of the earth not spinning. You have to provide the answer as to why his theory is incorrect about something landing in a different spot. Just showing him that it lands in the same place supports his theory of the earth not spinning.

The truck that can visibly be seen travelling down the road takes the place of the spinning earth for the example. It lands in the same spot IN SPITE of the truck moving.

Wait, I always thought the Earth was flat.

How does he explain what is taking place when an eclipse happens?

Yeah. That's the perfect answer

It's only 6,000 years old so it hasn't deformed into a curve or sphere yet.

Clem, I heard from a guy the other day at church that let it slip that they were now believing 6,600 years. So maybe they're coming around a little.

Earth is flat, dinosaurs weren't real, nfl is rigged, perchjerker isn't gay, lizard people run the government, clitoris is a myth...everything you know is a lie (Cue x-files music).

It's "reptilians" AUstan... "lizard people" is offensive.

This is another good reason I got a specific training in mind for this puppy I got from North40R. Y'all know how some police dogs or trained to find drugs, guns, explosives and stuff like that. I want to put mine thru and intensive training session to locate dumasses so I can avoid them all together. Only problem with that is when the dog is with my group of friends all she will be able to do is drag her arse around on the floor. She would stay in alert mode all the time. Lol

I've listened to lots of this garbage. There are a few things I'd like to ask them. If your standing on the Atlantic Coast in America at night and the earth is flat, why can't you see the lights in Europe or Africa? How do you explain disappearing buildings on the coast as you get farther offshore in a fishing vessel?

Quit hanging around idots.

Go to Key West or some other specific parts of the world to watch the sunrise or sunset, and you can see the curvature of the earth plain as can be.

What do these flat earth folks think about the rockets and satellites and moon landings and THE PHOTOS FROM SPACE SHOWING ROUND PLANETS including the earth? All faked?

They think its all a conspiracy

Yep. It's all a big scam to them. I also asked him why, when I go off shore fishing, I can't see the condos. he says I can, they are just too small

Yep. They believe it's a conspiracy or it's all faked.

And yet they probably would say "It just is" when asked how the F could you create a conspiracy among millions of people worldwide showing all planets, all photos of the earth, ALL photos of people at sunrise or sunset with images showing the curvature of the earth ...

So millions of people - literally millions - are in on a conspiracy against the Flat Earthers.

SMH

Preach on brother! I've been screaming that from the rooftops for more than 20 years.
I say outlaw marriage and make hookers legal.
That whole marriage scam is the biggest, widest reach extortion crime wave in history!

I believe the earth is around 6000 yrs old. But I believe that the dinosaurs were real and humans coexisted with them from the beginning and were wiped out during the flood.

Yoy can make fun of me if you want. But I think that best explains what has transpired since the beginning of time. People take carbon dating and Darwinism as FACT but they are theories.

I know I didn't come from no dang monkey or a fish or that I was this prehistoric "soup" that just turned me into what I am.

Yeah, they're only like 5-6 billion years off now!

I'm calling bullchit on that one.

Cactus, I mean this with all respect and as if we were having this discussion at my kitchen table. This is NOT an attack on you or a ridicule of your position.

Why weren't 2 of each of those wiped out dinosaurs on the ark, then?

I'm willing to concede my position of earth age and all the rest if I can be convinced, but the scientific record just seems to indicate otherwise to me. That's one of the areas I just can't reconcile.

Sorry for the departure from the original topic of "round earth".

I asked Perch one time if he was gay and he replied, "well no, you silly goose! Go get me a latte!"

Even some of the little dinos could have been put on the Ark. Maybe not a T-Rex or Triceratops, although if hippos were around in those days then maybe they got on the boat, too, and a Triceratops could have made it.

But, no dinosaurs at all. No birdasaurs, no tiny plant-eating dinos, nada.

Maybe the dinosaurs fell off the edge of the earth.

I try to keep me a few friends around that I'm smarter than. Makes me feel better about myself.

That's right it's all a conspiracy to them. When we left their house, I asked my wife what she thought. Obviously she's smarter than me and didn't want to talk about that junk!!

I listened to all his theories but non made sense why anyone would conspire to tell us the earth was round. What would be gained by keeping it a secret? He didn't know the answer to that.... he gets all wound up about conspiracies. It's quite funny to me

it's amazing how many people actually believe this crap these days. almost as many as hollow earth subscribers. if that aint proof those damn vaccines are dumbing down the population I dont know what to tell you.

Not just one person or one government, but millions of Round Earth Conspirators working in concert with governments.

Brainwashing!

Which way are we spinning anyway, east or west? I never thought about it.

Spins west to east at about 1000ish mph. Sits at I think 23.5 degree angle. Science is kewl.

While we are on the subject, where did the piss and chit go from the animals on the ark? What did they have to eat and drink? Were there insects on the ark? Where did all that water go afterward? What did the animals eat after they got off the boat if everything was dead? There's a lot more to it than two of every animal got on a boat when you think about it.

Because when people leave town they never come back.

they cite some island in Hawaii I believe where you can see further than you are suppose to around the curve of the earth. according to science you aren't suppose to be able to see the nearby island at all but you can.

its become a popular thing to say, several NBA guys have been getting publicity by saying it.

most notably Kyrie Irving, who went to Duke. (for a year). also Shaq.

flat earther basketball

www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/

not fake, just hidden there like easter eggs to trick us.

I guess they don't find it odd that the sun and moon are obviously round

I hope he is not your hunting buddy, especially gun hunting buddy.

I just found the FAQ page from the Flat Earth Society webpage.

Interesting bunch:

http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/home/index.php/faq

So that's what has been happening with all these missing airplanes!!!
Who'da thunk it??

No compunction or filters with regards to calling an idiot an idiot.

This is the correct answer...

Dinosaurs were on the ark.
How do y'all think we came to have alagators crocadiles and elephants and komodo dragons?
Some people can't see the forest for the trees.
I firmly and absolutely know there is a creator, without a shadow of doubt, this universe did not simply fall together.
However, I'm also pretty sure some of the bipeds that we call humans are still evolving from apes.

Couldn't dinosaurs have gone extinct before the ark?

Why did they have to be on the ark to prove we have a creator?

So all the dinosaurs, mammals, insects, birds including penguins and ostriches etc., and sloths (how long would it take a three-toed sloth to get from South America to the Middle East and hop on the boat) and the thousands of species we know today all fit on a single big wooden boat. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of pounds of all types of food from around the globe for these animals to eat over the course of months at sea, the water required to hydrate all of these animals, cleaning up the poop and pee of all of these animals by Noah and the few people on the boat. Then, given all that actually happened, the animals get off the boat and get back to their continents. What the heck are they supposed to eat when they get there? Everything died in the flood, and now they all have to breed like rabbits because there's only two of each of them! If someone came up to you today and tried to tell you a similar story you'd laugh in their face.

Mosquitoes, fire ants and water moccasins are what gets me

He could have let them drown

None of this junk bothers me. I'm worried about the UFO's waging war with us at the North Pole.

Perch if there were ufos they'd fly off the edge of the earth and get lost too

The Bible references 2 of every KIND, the original animals, not 2 of every species or variety we have today. Think Genus of Family in taxonomy. Over time through changes on a micro level, adaptation or selection etc...we have the species we have today. Very hard to accept without a true relationship with God....sounds kind of crazy on its own.

Not if they're inside the ice wall, which they'd have to be or they'd just get slung back out into space anyway.

Not just literally millions of people...multiple generations of millions of people!

No patience for whack jobs and nut cases.

Very easy to accept at face-value. Still didn't iron out the logistical piyfalls, but I'm assuming those don't matter. "God did it."

Again,... not being contrary,...

But that's called "evolution" for the other side of the argument, and is the exact same point you're making

Somebody's been drinkin' too much cald.........

Back then, the continents hadn't separated yet, you nut. The talking serpent told me so.

I've dealt with a number of them going the opposite direction.

The Atlanta airport landing strip is about 2.2 miles long if I remember correctly. It looks flat but there is around a 14ft difference from one side to the other. Due to earth curvature. So it's not flat proof of a level rod.

Wrong. That's "micro evolution" or adaptation, natural selection or variation....which is real, observable and over short time spans. What I described is not macro evolution which is the alleged sweeping large changes from one transforming into an entirely new oragnism. Completely different.

Macro Evolution is not two head of cattle turning into all the various species and variations of cattle, for example. Or dogs or cats, or deer. That is adaptation, natural selection or variation...aka micro evolution.

To date there is zero evidence based in fact for long aged transitional form macro evolution, other than hypothesis and reaching speculation that progressive atheist power players within the halls of academia have arbitrarily declared as fact/"settled science".

Are we not men? We are DEVO!

AwwStan,
I wish we could all be as intelligent and enlightened as you.
I can pick certain parts of the Bible to ridicule and make jokes, too.
But what if you're wrong? What if the Bible is true, and you are wrong?
See, if I'm wrong, I just rot and become fertilizer. But if you're wrong, you burn in hell for eternity.
That's a serious gamble.

Not only is the earth flat, it's square and the sun rotates around it. I'll start gathering evidence for my theory and we'll debate it in about 50 years.

I'll bring the beer Wiley....

I'm not enlightened, and I'm not ridiculing anything. I'm acknowledging the parts of the story that no one talks about because they get scared to ask questions. Notice how no one attempted to explain what I highlighted. I'm an average guy that is thinking critically. I'm at a point where people telling me to "shut up" or "stop asking questions" or "talking dangerously" doesn't bother me.

And the second part of your statement refers to Pascal's Wager in which he acknowledges everyone hedges on their belief system being right. The idea that we'd accept a belief system based on getting into Heaven is selfish on our part and cruel on the part of God. Faith as fear dressed up as virtue is in my mind not admirable. I could write pages on these concepts but that's my short-handed response cuz I just don't feel like writing a lot.

*And I don't know if Heaven and Hell is real in whatever form that might be. Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. From my position, the Bible is written and influenced by men in another attempt to make sense of it all.

All explained, here...

You know it wasn't really two of every animal. Not sure how that false hood became common knowledge.

Are you referring to the "kinds vs. Species" debate? Or the clean animals by sevens and unclean by two, male and female, thing?

"a belief system based on getting into Heaven is selfish on our part and cruel on the part of God"

not when EVERYONE is invited. one only has to believe. utterly just on the part of the Father ...

See I can jive with that but the way Out Back worded it was that people believe because they're afraid not to. Like I'm a believer so I can get into Heaven...That's the selfish part. See if it were me writing the rules as God, I would've made no mention of Heaven or Hell and observed a man's character when he doesn't know there's a reward at the end. I think that would be a more altruistic way of testing a person's Faith. Hopefully I explained that clearly.

from your posts that I have read, I don't believe that you are a critical thinker that is doing so with integrity . Why do you not hold the theory of evolution to the same critical standard that you do the belief of a Creator? In fact, I have come to the conclusion, because of the way that you pounce on every post about God, that deep down you believe in a Creator but you choose to rebel against Him. People that believe someone else's world view is wrong don't tend to attack that world view at every opportunity the way that you do, they just laugh and move on.

I tell you what is crazier than that, I believe in a Man that was killed, laid in a tomb for 3 days and then came back to life.

I don't jump down everyone's post about God. I didn't say a word about Easter and all the paganism muddled in with it, etc when all those threads were up. And I don't completely believe God doesn't exist. I don't know. Evolution has its holes. Its a work in progress, and it is very difficult to piece together the entirety of existence from physics, chemistry, biology, fossil record, etc. Scientists make mistakes constantly, and fame/money can taint it like anything else. I'm not better than anyone, and I don't think debating is a bad thing. If you legit think I'm wrong, jump in and defend your stance. I'll listen and prolly learn something. Otherwise I'm not gonna just be quiet because it makes someone uncomfortable.

There's no evidence for macro evolution. They can't explain how cells went from anaerobic to aerobic, the "missing link" is made up and there's no archaeological proof to even create a theory about it, there's nothing to support that fish grew legs and started breathing air instead of water, and the theory that at some point plants started growing from the same cell that animals grew from is just crazy.

You are right. Evolutionary theory has its missing pieces, although I think you're making some broad assertions that there is zero evidence outside of micro-evolution within a single species. Here's a link that I think is a good place to start. It's a lot of reading. I haven't it made all the way through it. Any researcher worth his/her salt will admit there is no absolute truth in the scientific community. We can only continue to build off of what we know.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

I think it's difficult for us to conceptualize the time-scale of the Earth being over 4 billion years old. I mean that is an extremely long time for gradualism to take place, not to mention punctuated equilibrium interjecting into the process via natural disasters like earthquakes etc. That's one thing to consider. 4,000,000,000 years vs. 80 year human life time.

It is not thought that humans came from apes but rather we share a common ancestor way back down the phyletic tree. Do we have every single fossil of every single organism and an explanation for every single piece of the puzzle? No. Like I said, trying to piece the entirety of all existence given a changing planet influencing variation over billions of years is extremely daunting. I think that's where people get lost in the scale of it because they're expecting to see a half elephant-whale or something. It's really not something you can boil down to a single sentence given the sheer mass of varying influential factors involved over time.

But, people want things to be simple to understand. They want to have it all figured out because when they realize they don't it's terrifying, humbling, and awe-inspiring all at the same time.

Austan,

Repost what you highlighted that no one has answered yet. I don't see it.

I was just thinking this as I was reading this thread and you beat me to it

AUstan23
Just as you've thought you will not be going to heaven when you die.

It is important for people on this board to realize that people have different opinions. In fact, I find myself in a similar boat as Stan. If Stan ruffles your feathers, you would have your panties in a wod with most other non-believers/agnostics etc etc. I have never seen him step out of line or take a personal jab at anyone for their beliefs. I would expect a decent person to return the favor.

Not that this matters, but I enjoy reading AUstan23's posts.

Thinking freely is a beautiful thing.

^^^^This^^^^

If the earth is flat then who controls the light switch for the sun? Why does the sun rise in the east and set in the west. Why is it daylight in China and dark here? How did anyone fly or sail around the earth?

i WAS austan earlier in my life, so i doubly appreciate his posts ...

The earth is flat.....cause Guam can tip over.

let me say this as nicely and tenderly as I can. .....this is a lie.....THIS IS A DAMNED LIE.......THIS IS A DAMNED LIE FROM THE PIT OF HELL. Every hypothesis and theory is based upon some absolute truths. We know what time the sun will rise tomorrow, not because of our great knowledge or our great skills in forecasting, but because of absolute truths. We can determine when the sun will set next week, next year and so forth, we know when the moon will be full because there are absolute truths. If you jump from your tree stand you know what will happen because of an absolute truth. And it is because of these things amongst many examples that led Paul to pen his words to the Romans which said you are without excuse for the invisible hand of God is clearly seen in the visible things .

A critical thinker, which you claim to be, could never ever embrace evolution. There is not a single example, that I am aware of, where you see organization come from disorganization, a critical thinker can never get past this single point alone. But by faith, you are able to. By faith you are able to embrace the evolutionary theory. By faith you are able to accept the latest scientific thought. How are you able to do so? By making a wrong turn. The wrong turn you took is believing that truth is relative and not absolute.

I do, too. Although I disagree with him, and I have a couple of other friends who are like him who question organized religion (all of them), I at least will consider their questions-posits.