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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: mman]
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03/13/17 10:34 AM
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[quote=MarksOutdoors] If you are looking for a challenge, then go to the woods naked and come out with a deer. http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads.p...rue#Post1614987Could that be what was goin on hear?
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
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03/14/17 01:09 AM
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A food plot however, has more benefit to the deer and other wildlife, than a pile of corn. Plots are in line with being a wildlife manager. Corn is feeding wildlife junk food. It tastes good, but gives them no nutritional benefit. Eh, I disagree on a few points. First I have never understood what practical effect the quality of the bait being put out has on the moral or ethical implications of hunting over it. If I use really high quality ammo is it less of a crime to shoot somebody? LOL! Second, you say patches benefit more animals. Really? How many animals in the woods eat grass vs corn? On the corn side I'd say deer, hogs, turkey, raccoon, rabbit, squirrel, chipmunks, dove and who knows how many species of other birds. And corn may mostly just be a source of carbohydrates but animals do need carbohydrates especially in the colder months. Third, I'll grant you that some people plant some really nice seed blends that benefit deer with a year round source of food. But it would be a mistake to believe all or even most do this. The vast majority of people in my neck of the woods mostly plant simple stuff like winter wheat and rye grass. About a month after season goes out and it's pretty much done as a food source. Finally, feeders will sling more than just corn you know. You can mix things like protein pellets in with the corn. And there are all kinds of deer feed products you can use with your feeders. We sling some made by Purina to our deer in the off season. I know, I know most people will just sling corn. But by that same token most people planting green patches aren't planting top shelf Whitetail Institute products either.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: Todd1700]
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03/14/17 02:20 AM
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A food plot however, has more benefit to the deer and other wildlife, than a pile of corn. Plots are in line with being a wildlife manager. Corn is feeding wildlife junk food. It tastes good, but gives them no nutritional benefit. Second, you say patches benefit more animals. Really? How many animals in the woods eat grass vs corn? On the corn side I'd say deer, hogs, turkey, raccoon, rabbit, squirrel, chipmunks, dove and who knows how many species of other birds. And corn may mostly just be a source of carbohydrates but animals do need carbohydrates especially in the colder months. Third, I'll grant you that some people plant some really nice seed blends that benefit deer with a year round source of food. But it would be a mistake to believe all or even most do this. The vast majority of people in my neck of the woods mostly plant simple stuff like winter wheat and rye grass. About a month after season goes out and it's pretty much done as a food source. I'll let you argue with the biologists about this. All of them I've ever known will take a food plot over a corn pile any day for wildlife management. When I get the time, I'll even pull out the book on it. Corn can help deer survive a bad winter in the northern states. It does not get cold enough here to make it a necessity for survival.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: timbercruiser]
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03/14/17 08:15 AM
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I've hunted over corn on the ground a lot of times, it is legal in Florida, and most deer when they get to it will eat a handful or two of the corn and then go on to other food. If it is in a food plot they will nibble some of the grass, and if they are at a trough they will eat a little, but they don't stand there and stuff their stomach with either one. The disease argument doesn't hold water IMHO. If it were true then there wouldn't be a deer in Florida, Texas or the other states that it is legal to feed deer. FWIW, I know a person that leased a large ranch in west Texas where they fed corn and one year Anthrax, spread by breathing in the spores while feeding with the nostrils in close contact with the ground, lost 95% of his deer herd.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
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03/14/17 08:55 AM
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I've hunted over corn on the ground a lot of times, it is legal in Florida, and most deer when they get to it will eat a handful or two of the corn and then go on to other food. If it is in a food plot they will nibble some of the grass, and if they are at a trough they will eat a little, but they don't stand there and stuff their stomach with either one. The disease argument doesn't hold water IMHO. If it were true then there wouldn't be a deer in Florida, Texas or the other states that it is legal to feed deer. That proves that no one needs corn then.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: jawbone]
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03/14/17 12:14 PM
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I've hunted over corn on the ground a lot of times, it is legal in Florida, and most deer when they get to it will eat a handful or two of the corn and then go on to other food. If it is in a food plot they will nibble some of the grass, and if they are at a trough they will eat a little, but they don't stand there and stuff their stomach with either one. The disease argument doesn't hold water IMHO. If it were true then there wouldn't be a deer in Florida, Texas or the other states that it is legal to feed deer. FWIW, I know a person that leased a large ranch in west Texas where they fed corn and one year Anthrax, spread by breathing in the spores while feeding with the nostrils in close contact with the ground, lost 95% of his deer herd. So, if this is a known fact, a possibility, then if this passes it would be safe to say the State has a disregard for the health of the herd. We should NEVER knowingly gamble with a resource....especially an unnecessary gamble.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: jawbone]
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03/14/17 03:23 PM
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I've hunted over corn on the ground a lot of times, it is legal in Florida, and most deer when they get to it will eat a handful or two of the corn and then go on to other food. If it is in a food plot they will nibble some of the grass, and if they are at a trough they will eat a little, but they don't stand there and stuff their stomach with either one. The disease argument doesn't hold water IMHO. If it were true then there wouldn't be a deer in Florida, Texas or the other states that it is legal to feed deer. FWIW, I know a person that leased a large ranch in west Texas where they fed corn and one year Anthrax, spread by breathing in the spores while feeding with the nostrils in close contact with the ground, lost 95% of his deer herd. i attended a research meeting in san antonio last year and heard of a few ranches that lost deer to anthrax but the biologists the state sent in found out it was from the introduction of exotics an not corn as far as i know but they were All high fence breeders sellin package hunts bringin in a buncha junk. I dont think there was but like 2 cases tho. Been a some cases of cwd in them kinda places over there to
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: DaBreeze]
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03/14/17 03:47 PM
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Anthrax is spread by an infected animal feeding closely to the ground, exhaling the spores. When another animal comes along feeding close to the ground soon after and inhales the spores before they die, the disease is passed on. This is why it is so dangerous to a herd of cattle. Bad stuff to both animals and humans if the spores become air borne. The possibility is enough to not want me to have anything to do with corn, but I guess the same thing could happen in a food plot.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: DaBreeze]
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03/14/17 04:05 PM
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yeh, I always thought about it like this... CORN= mickey D's natural browse and high quality food plots= a fat juicy ribeye. maybe not the best analogy as far as an explanation for protein and mineral content.. but hey its a way everbody can understand and I just really like ribeyes
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: DaBreeze]
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03/14/17 07:34 PM
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If disease transmission is why we must keep hunting over bait illegal then why isn't it illegal to just feed deer period? Because you can dump out 30 metric tons of corn a year on your land if you want to. You just can't hunt over it.
Is there some weird biological force that suddenly kicks in when a man with a gun gets near a feeder that causes diseases to suddenly become a threat?
Of course not. The threat of disease is the same with supplemental feeding as it would be with hunting over that same feed. Yet I have never heard anyone even suggest that supplemental feeding be banned. Wonder why? I suspect it's because it's a highly overrated threat and not the real reason most people want to keep hunting over feeders illegal.
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Re: Baiting Vs. Food Plots
[Re: mman]
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04/10/17 03:55 AM
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If disease transmission is why we must keep hunting over bait illegal then why isn't it illegal to just feed deer period? Because you can dump out 30 metric tons of corn a year on your land if you want to. You just can't hunt over it.
Is there some weird biological force that suddenly kicks in when a man with a gun gets near a feeder that causes diseases to suddenly become a threat?
Of course not. The threat of disease is the same with supplemental feeding as it would be with hunting over that same feed. Yet I have never heard anyone even suggest that supplemental feeding be banned. Wonder why? I suspect it's because it's a highly overrated threat and not the real reason most people want to keep hunting over feeders illegal. Better be careful. Some folks don't like when you introduce logic into the equation. If they can't defeat the logic, they will just resort to calling you an idiot. And whatever you do, don't bring in any facts. That's worse than logic My logic on that one is if it so easy to introduce diseases, there wouldn't be a deer in Texas.
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