Anyone have hands on experience with these? Thanks in advance.

Don't know a thing about them but apparently from the vid,the builder doesn't know the difference between a Seiko(watch) and a Sako(rifle).

Don't sound like much to them. Other than a cool name as a selling point.

All I know is they are spensive. I'm looking for a hunting rifle that will shoot sub moa more consistent than not. Don't mind paying more but don't want to pay more for looks or a fancy name.

Tikka will do that. First thing is to decide what's most important to you and then start looking based on that. A rifle that shoots sub moa more often than not is a rather wide criteria.

Save yourself some money and buy a tikka or range certified weatherby. If you reload you can obtain less than moa with many factory rifles.

Savage will do it too. I have a couple with custom barrels that shoot less than .5" groups at a hundred. Half that if I do my part.

limabean, i held one last fall. It was the carbon barrel, chambered in 300 win mag. No telling what the retail on that rifle was. Another guy in same party had a christenson arms 300 WSM that was just as nice.

If you get one, post up some pics and a review.

Here is just something to chew on... at the Shot Show I looked around and even more this year than in previous years I was literally shocked at the rifle and AR builders that were there. It has gotten ridiculous. If you go by the booth and see they have on some tactical cargo pants and shirts you stop and start asking them questions like drop one about a common cartridge take a 243 and ask them about building a varmint rifle.

They don't have any idea what you are talking about. You ask them about a Norma Magnum or start talking about a 7x57 and they got no idea. Literally look like they swallowed a turd trying to come up with something to say but they got nothing.

This is my opinion, but all these fly by night AR builders and Custom "Sniper" rifle builders are about to be out of business. Gun sales are WAY WAY down under Trump. That's a fact that is going to be in place for the next several years and hopefully longer. We hoarded under the last president at an unprecedented level. This cycle has played itself out before under Clinton then Bush and back to Obama, etc.

Plenty of Gun Smiths in state that can build a rifle. JP Precision, John Gallagher, plenty of others. They know what they are doing. Know the rifle sand know the cartridges.

I have a savage with a Shilen barrel that will stay under a half inch easily and will also stay in the 2's if I do my part. Well under 1k in just the rifle.

Not specific to your question but I'll put this out there. I've been looking for my perfect rifle for about 15 years. I've tried a bunch of rifles up to about $1500.Admittedly,I've not owned any full custom rifles.My opinion however is that before you start dropping in excess of 3K on a rifle you need to know what specific attributes you want in that rifle,even right down to safety style,specific trigger,stock style,target weight,type action,type extraction,basically everything you prefer. Even then,any rifle you buy will be a compromise on your specific desires. I would suggest you visit some ranges,join a gun club,visit some rifle builders,basically get your hands on and shoot everything different that you can to figure out exactly what you want.


For me,my latest favorite is a Forbes 24b. it's a little larger and heavier than my Kimber Montana which makes it fit me better and makes it easier to shoot well than the lighter Kimber. Light weight has become one of my primary concerns and the Forbes in not a heavy gun at all being just under 6 lbs in a long action but the 14 ounces more than the Kimber makes it an easier gun to shootwell while still being plenty light.

I've owned Remington's,Sako's,Winchesters, Savages,but my favorite so far is the Forbes. If I were to start this 15 year journey over,I would order a model 24 NULA from Melvin Forbes. I may still sell some guns and buy one but I was fortunate enough to find one of the first Forbes made that Melvin actually built,so it shoots 1/2 moa and even under more often than not.

Good luck on your search.Sorry I don't know specifically about the Fierce Edge rifles.I would however highly recommend a NULA. At least do some research.You will see a lot of very happy customers.More than 75% of Melvin's business is repeat customers,which says a lot,and Melvin is getting older,so that's something to consider as well.

The only thing I would add would be if you get one built by someone like Forbes then it will always be worth what you paid for it.. maybe more than you paid for it at some point if you keep it in nice shape and treat it well.

Others that will hold good value would be something like a Chistensen, Cooper, Dakota, GA Precision, Jarrett I could go on. But those won't necessarily hold like a NULA I think will. When Melvin is gone those will be coveted rifles.

On the flip side... You get one that Tactical Timmy built and in a couple years nobody will know/remember which flavor of the month built it or really care. You'll have a $1k used rifle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwEV02NsZFk

you've probably seen, but good breakdown here.

Great point there! Spending $3500 plus,I would sure want a very well known name with a long history for just that reason.

If you really like that,personally I would buy one of these first.
http://www.eurooptic.com/sako-85-synthetic-black-308-win-jrs1c16.aspx

Chances are that it will shoot very nearly if not just as good.You can always add a McMillan Edge stock later if it shoots good and still be a lot less money. If it doesn't shoot like you want you can sell it for darn close to what you paid,especially if EuroOptic runs out of them.

I know there's a lot of love for tikka/sako on here and for good reason. I'm not a fan. The two I've shot were not MOA rifles for me. I know that's sacrilege around here but it is what it is.

I didn't want to leave you with the impression that I was in the market either. I was impressed with the one I held last fall, that's all I can say.

I only mention it because the Fierce Edge is basically a Sako 85. I've owned 4 Sako's and all were less than moa rifles. Being factory rifles results may vari but they are guaranteed sub moa for 5 shots,though Beretta CS is very spotty.

If you want a lightweight rifle and you are going to spend over $3k on it and don't get a Forbes... that's just dumb in my opinion. Like completely mis-informed kinda dumb and might not even know it. That's all I'm saying.

You got lots more options for a lot less money. That guarantee 1/2 MOA is probably like most other rifles MOA guarantee. Really not worth the ink it was printed with. Most people can't shoot that good even a 3 shot group and dang sure not a 5. And it ain't a heavy barrel long range rig either. I don't need 1/2 MOA to kill anything under 500 yards with a hunting rifle. I can do that with something from the local Wal-Mart.

And I can get a 1/2 out of a Savage with a good barrel so that don't impress either when it comes down to it. And I've had several Kimbers that would do under 1" and others that needed a little work to get there but all but one I have got to shoot. And they are a lot less money.

All that being said the rifle is probably a nice rifle and if you want one get it. Don't listen to us. You will probably love it.

Just for clarity there is no more "Forbes". That company was Melvin Forbes second attempt to mass produce his custom NULA. The Forbes company is out of business.

I own a Forbes but only because I had inside info on the serial number,that it was an early enough model to be built by Melvin himself. Melvin tried to teach Forbes employs how to build his rifle and stock. It didn't take them long to fail miserably in both quality and customer service,which is why they went bankrupt.

You can buy a custom NULA from Melvin. They start at about $3400. I was told $1000 down and 9 months to delivery not long ago.

You can also buy a very nice Cooper Excalibur for under $2000 with a 1/2 moa guarantee. The Cooper bolts don't lock on safety if that matters to you.

Coopers guarantees 1/2 MOA at 50 yards. They are great rifles for sure and I have one but they can be very picky on ammo.

According to them it's 1/2 moa at 100 yards. The confusion may be in that their enclosed test targets are shot at somewhere around 50 yards.
http://cooperfirearms.com/about-us/cooper-history

Like you ,I don't put much confidence in accuracy guarantees and all rifles have negatives of some kind. It is however a little bit of insurance if you get a lemon. You might send a rifle into a lot of manufacturers that wouldn't do better than 3 moa at 100 yards only to have them tell you the rifle shoots in spec to their standards.

Josh
You have way too many really nice rifles,the kind I like. We need to get together some time so you can let me shoot some of them.lol

Fierce is just another one of the semi-production custom rifle builders that have popped up over the past few years. While the big companies have started staking out the low end of the market with budget priced bolt actions, dozens of these companies have opened up to sell rifles at a higher price point. I agree with Goatkiller that many of these companies will go under in the next few years.

I know someone who bought a Fierce last year and he called me right after the first shot and said there was a problem. Shot it at night and played me a video of the shot which showed huge sparks flying in all directions and I was told the sound was very odd. After a lot of head scratching we figured out that the problem was that some dimwit at Fierce had screwed a 7 mm muzzle brake onto his 30-378 Weatherby! Needed a hammer to open the bolt. Took it back to the store and there were more problems after that in getting the rifle replaced.

These rifles are a Christensen knock-off. Good guns but i'm not a fan of carbon wrapped barrels and really light rifles for over-bore magnums as a long range gun. I hate muzzle brakes. For a long range gun I like some weight and a heavy barrel. JMHO

Like Goat said, there are a few custom builders here in Alabama that will build as good and probably better gun for a lesser price. I know a store manager who sells Fierce, MOA and other "semi-custom" guns and he has John Gallagher build his rifles. That should tell you something about these guns.

What's your budget? I bet I could build you a savage that would shoot 1/4" groups for less than $800 including a new trigger.

It won't be the prettiest gun in your safe but dang they can be accurate with very little work. Here is my its recent build. It's a shooter and I love the new Burris XTR ii scope.

That turned out good Josh. I personally have never been a fan of the Savages. I know they are shooters, but I just think they're ugly. To each their own. I am a sucker for Rems. Is what it is. I also agree that there are several VERY good gunsmiths in Alabama that can build you a rifle that will meet your expectations for likely less than one of the big custom shops. They are in the business of building custom rifles. Call them and discuss what you want in a rifle.

Thanks guys for all the information. I have wanted a NULA for a long time but have a hard time spending that much on one rifle but I think I'm at that point. I have spent way over the cost of one trying to get what I want. What caliber would you recommend for hunting deer here in Alabama? I'm not really sensitive to recoil but don't think it would be fun to shoot a NULA in a magnum cartridge. By the way anyone on here got a NULA that would be willing to let me shoot? I've never handled one so that another reason why I'm hesitant to put that much money in one. Thanks again.

280 would be a first choice for me, or 308 for hunting deer in bama.

I've considered getting one myself. I would probably choose a 7mm-08.I have the Forbes 24b that you are welcome to shoot if you are ever up near Haleyville. I also have a Kimber Montana in 7mm-08. The Forbes fits me much better.

I think no matter which caliber you get you want the stock to fit you.For instance,if I bought a model 20 NULA ,I would want the stock the same size as my model 24 Nula. Another thought is that the model 24 NULA might be a better fit for me,being such a big guy than the model 20 even if the LOP on the 20 was adjusted. The action is shorter on the model 20 and the balance would be different.