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Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper #2065979
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Just ordered a couple of new products (Liquid Calcium and Gro-Energy). Both can be applied to ground or plant with a sprayer. Liquid Calcium increases the pH and adds calcium to the plants. Gro-Energy is made up of micro nutrients which helps the plants perform at their maximum capabilities. Liquid Calcium is $15.00 per gallon, apply 2 gallons per acre to increase pH by 1 point (compared to 2 tons of lime). Gro-Energy is $50.00 per gallon, apply 1 pint per acre to foliage. Call 256-737-9595 to order.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2067626
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Serious question. You think it actually works? Is it time release? How long you think it'll hold the ph up?

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2067941
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I guess sponsorship has it's privileges

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: BatesConst] #2067952
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If sponsorship don't have privileges, it should!


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Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: BatesConst] #2068274
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Originally Posted By: BatesConst
Serious question. You think it actually works? Is it time release? How long you think it'll hold the ph up?


I know it works. It changes the pH quicker than any other type of neutralizer. Lime normally takes 6 months to change the pH. So far the pH has stayed constant for one year with the liquid. A major benefit from the liquid is actual calcium that can be taken in by the animals eating the forage. After applying two gallons per acre the first time, I would apply one gallon every year after. It can't do anything but help!

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Originally Posted By: D Wilborn
Originally Posted By: BatesConst
Serious question. You think it actually works? Is it time release? How long you think it'll hold the ph up?


I know it works. It changes the pH quicker than any other type of neutralizer. Lime normally takes 6 months to change the pH. So far the pH has stayed constant for one year with the liquid. A major benefit from the liquid is actual calcium that can be taken in by the animals eating the forage. After applying two gallons per acre the first time, I would apply one gallon every year after. It can't do anything but help!

Not everybody thinks it works
https://www.no-tillfarmer.com/articles/4575-beware-of-alternative-ag-lime-product-claims

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2069093
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The soil test that have been done in Cullman do show a one point increase in pH by applying two gallons of this particular liquid calcium. Thanks for the link, I will check with the manufacturer about the claims in that study.

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I used some liquid line last year on my centipede grass and it worked great until the drought hit


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Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2070625
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My neighbor has been using liquid lime on his pastures for several years now.

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It would be interesting to take an area that hasn't been limed or fertilized in 30 years, take a soil sample, spray it with the liquid lime product, wait 2 months and again at 6 months for follow up samples and see if there is an actual change in ph.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: Ant67] #2080164
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Not everybody thinks it works
https://www.no-tillfarmer.com/articles/4575-beware-of-alternative-ag-lime-product-claims [/quote]

Ant67, did you read the whole article? If you continue to read there are several experts that totally disagree with the first part of the article. Agritec tried to reach out to the person who wrote the article last year and never were able to get them to return their calls. There are plenty of test that have been run with this product and similar products and everyone showed an increase in pH and micro nutrients.
Anyone who would like to try it, I have just received several totes. It is $15.00/ gallon, please bring a plastic container. It is recommended to apply 2 to 4 gallons per acre depending on the pH levels. It can be applied with liquid nitrogen and some herbicides.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2083565
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pH is nothing more than the concentration of protons (H+). I hate to be a naysayer, but adding a gallon or two of anything isn't going to change the chemical composition of tens of thousands of pounds of dirt on a given acre. Can't beat math and chemistry. I'd be glad to be proven wrong.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: Remington270] #2083632
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You could use that same argument to say that one ton of lime per acre, which works out to .045lbs per square foot, wouldn't change the chemical composition of tens of thousands of pounds of dirt either.

If you can put ag lime out in bulk it is with out a doubt the cheapest and best method, but for a lot of food plotters it is a lot easier and more practical to put out liquid.

Both methods will achieve the same results, and they each have their own strengths and weeknesses.

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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
You could use that same argument to say that one ton of lime per acre, which works out to .045lbs per square foot, wouldn't change the chemical composition of tens of thousands of pounds of dirt either.

If you can put ag lime out in bulk it is with out a doubt the cheapest and best method, but for a lot of food plotters it is a lot easier and more practical to put out liquid.

Both methods will achieve the same results, and they each have their own strengths and weeknesses.


2-3 tons per acre is a little bit more than a gallon of something.

Honest question: if this product is such a no-brainer, why are the big time farmers wasting all their time, money, and diesel, not to mention field compaction on AG lime? I'm not a farmer, but try to subscribe to common sense, when possible. Again, I could be wrong.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: Remington270] #2083713
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The liquid is diluted upon application with water, so you are applying more than a gallon per acre. You have to look at the amount of available product not the mass of what you are applying. Two or three tons per acre is a lot more than a normal dose of fertilizer, but.nobody argues that it does not work.

I do not see where anybody said liquid was a no brainer. Bulk Ag lime is still cheaper and more bang for the buck, but as stated before, not everyone can get a spreader truck to their patches or have the means to handle a tow buggy. I have not done the math, but I suspect liquid is pretty competetive with bagged lime in price.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2083986
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Well maybe someone will do half a plot with some of this stuff and see if there's a difference.

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Remington, i nominate you to try it. If anybody else tried it and said it worked for them, would you really believe them? My neighbor has been spraying his pastures for probably the last 5 years, instead of having the co-op come out. I'm sure it works, but it would be short lived. For people with small plots, where you can't get the lime truck to come out, and you have a sprayer, i say go for it. You'll probably have to spray every year, but you can mix it in with your weed control.

Re: Game Plot Liming Made Easier and Cheaper [Re: D Wilborn] #2084212
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First of all, most of the big time farmers are old and go by old school. If it's not broke don't fix it. How many farmers do you know using anhydrous nitrogen? There are plenty of big farmers using liquids. There is plenty of research that has proven that 2 - 4 gallons per acre will make a difference. I use some chemicals that take only 8 oz. per acre. Also, if it takes 2 tons of any kind of product to make a difference, just how good is that product. As for the cost, two tons of lime spread runs somewhere around $70.00, four gallons of Liq. Cal. is $60.00. If you purchase 275 gallons of Liq. Cal. it would be $52.00 for four gallons. Bottom line, most plots are in areas where a lime truck is not going, plus try to find someone with a truck who is going to spend all day going from field to field. The Liq. Cal. does make a difference and it is way easier to apply. If your not interested in using it, why even have a comment. There are plenty of sights that show that this stuff works.

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Good points, guys. I'm not a farmer and don't claim to be. I'd love to see results if anyone tries this stuff.

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If it weren't so far away, I'd pick up four gallons and a BB feeder. Every ride south?


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