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Travel Ball.. I see why now #2067873
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Have been adamant that my son stick with rec ball because it's how I grew up, and people were just doing travel because "it's cool".. But after only 2 games of rec ball it's pretty clear.. Parents think they need to explain how to coach their precious child and that if you raise your voice at them they will shut down.. Guess I have just been naive about how bad off even things like good ol baseball are becoming.. It's like babysitting instead of coaching.. sorry for the rant.. haha

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I like this guy... grin


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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
I like this guy... grin


rofl "our goal is to hit dingers, and disgrace the other teams pitcher!"

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That's pretty good Irish. What I would envision myself as being if I were a little league coach.

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If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.


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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly
If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.



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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly
If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.



I totally disagree with this comment. If you look at most any kid from a D1 college that has been or being recruited will come from Travel Ball, especially pitchers. The level of competition at the High School level does not even compare to the Travel Ball level at the same age groups.

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I remain convinced the best thing for youth baseball is the fence the parents sit behind be 250 yards from the field.As umpires we should apply common sense,fairplay and hunt for strikes and outs.


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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
I like this guy... grin



I get the impression that that coach was probably a loser in high school and probably still is. I hope he's kidding.

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Originally Posted By: FastXD
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If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.



I totally disagree with this comment. If you look at most any kid from a D1 college that has been or being recruited will come from Travel Ball, especially pitchers. The level of competition at the High School level does not even compare to the Travel Ball level at the same age groups.


I agree.

The rec/park league level of competition where we live doesn't compare to the travel leagues/tourneys we play in. Each has its place and every child should have the chance to play. Find the level of good constructive competition your child is comfortable in and with and he/she will play up to that level continually getting better.


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Re: Travel Ball.. I see why now [Re: Bsivley1978] #2068055
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I couldn't have imagined my mom or especially dad telling one of my coaches to "please not holler at him.. he's sensitive"!! I may be totally off, but travel ball seems to not cater to the parents as much and the other kids seem to want to be there to play and not need babysitting..

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I remain convinced the best thing for youth baseball is the fence the parents sit behind be 250 yards from the field.As umpires we should apply common sense,fairplay and hunt for strikes and outs.


That's where I sat to watch every one of my son's baseball games.


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I couldn't have imagined my mom or especially dad telling one of my coaches to "please not holler at him.. he's sensitive"!!


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I've been approached two times now from two separate "mom's" with those exact words!!! Sad thing is their husbands sat there and let them..

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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly
If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.


Ive heard of several kids having to have shoulder surgery due to pitching too much in travel ball. That may be what he was alluding too.


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AS a current coach of a REC League Team once my kids get old enough to travel we will travel. REC is glorified baby sitting, and RECs are WAY to Liberal for me, they are "let's make it fair to everybody." Travel Ball the kids and the parent WANT to be there. They also understand it's not for participation trophies.

We traveled from the time I was 12-18yrs old, you are completely nuts if you think College Coaches go to REC parks to look at recruits, H.S. okay MAYBE on occasions. Travel ball carries the Elite competition, recruiters can hit one tournament to watch 15 different teams, and most importantly colleges are playing as well playing the same time as REC/H.S.. I can remember at 18 being at East Cobb with 20 different teams during the summer, playing against the like of McCann, Francouer etc that place had 75 college and professional scouts, We played in the championship game and there was 25 scouts lined against the fence. Went to Nashville to play in a tournament with 20+ teams, it was the same way, we actually took down David Price's team (he didn't pitch but they were still elite). Go watch the Jupiter FL tournament World Wooden Bat classic, teams come in from across the world and there are 100s of scouts there.

AS for pitching if the Travel Coach isn't monitoring the # of pitches being thrown by his kids, pitch by pitch, and week to week, you as a parent need to look for a new team or speak up LOUD. 15 and under shouldn't exceed 50p a week, 15 and older 75p at MOST. As a parent you need to have a set LIMIT of innings per year you think acceptable to pitch, and age plays a factor.

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Originally Posted By: Bsivley1978
I've been approached two times now from two separate "mom's" with those exact words!!! Sad thing is their husbands sat there and let them..


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There are a lot of safeguards that go into protecting pitchers. Pitchers can only pitch so many times per game/ tournament. Also, it's has a lot to do with proper mechanics and technique to prevent injury, no matter what level of play. At this level it's about accuracy and control, not speed.

My oldest son (8) is taking pitching lessons now, but he is limited to about 40 pitches a week.

As far as the level of play and competition, it's night and day. My oldest son plays travel ball and my other boys will too when they get old enough. The rec league here is a joke.


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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: Beer Belly
If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.


Ive heard of several kids having to have shoulder surgery due to pitching too much in travel ball. That may be what he was alluding too.


The pitching restrictions in travel ball now are way more restrict than most any rec ball that your kids will play. The problem is when you have a stud kid that wants to play every weekend and momma and daddy want them to play there is a team willing to pick them up and they are way over used. This is not the organizations fault it is the parents fault. You have to know when enough is enough.

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I like this guy... grin


rofl "our goal is to hit dingers, and disgrace the other teams pitcher!"


"There are winners and there are losers, and if your father says 'It doesn't matter whether you win or lose' He's a loser." rofl

There's a bunch of YouTube videos of this guy, apparently filmed by parents, and he is a riot.

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I like this guy... grin



I get the impression that that coach was probably a loser in high school and probably still is. I hope he's kidding.


From what I can gather this guy is a very popular coach with the parents and the kids, and is pretty successful at this level as well.

I also gather the whole thing is rather tongue in cheek and the parents and kids take it that way as well.

I'm sure a lot of "Everyone gets a participation trophy" people hate him.

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I've been approached two times now from two separate "mom's" with those exact words!!! Sad thing is their husbands sat there and let them..


Well, it is Decatur. Bunch of pussybaby liberals over there. laugh


Seriously, that's just mind-boggling. Bunch of us were playing around once before a Punt-Pass-Kick event at the football stadium with a ball, sort of a "smear the queer" kind of game like rugby-death-kids having fun kind of deal. Middle school kids just having fun, laughing and such.

One guy's mother came down from the stands and told us to quit playing around so rough because her son or someone could get hurt. Her son was mortified. Imagine being with 8-10 of your friends and your mother doing that. I mean, the sheer embarrassment on his face was terrible. AND THEN we gave him hell about it for weeks.

Sensitive. Holy crap. Don't yell at my son because he's sensitive. Then he needs to get the hell off the baseball field and go paint flowers or something.


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I've been approached two times now from two separate "mom's" with those exact words!!! Sad thing is their husbands sat there and let them..


Well, it is Decatur. Bunch of pussybaby liberals over there. laugh


Seriously, that's just mind-boggling. Bunch of us were playing around once before a Punt-Pass-Kick event at the football stadium with a ball, sort of a "smear the queer" kind of game like rugby-death-kids having fun kind of deal. Middle school kids just having fun, laughing and such.

One guy's mother came down from the stands and told us to quit playing around so rough because her son or someone could get hurt. Her son was mortified. Imagine being with 8-10 of your friends and your mother doing that. I mean, the sheer embarrassment on his face was terrible. AND THEN we gave him hell about it for weeks.

Sensitive. Holy crap. Don't yell at my son because he's sensitive. Then he needs to get the hell off the baseball field and go paint flowers or something.



Smear the Queer is how we weeded out the weak ones. Man we use to get in so much trouble for targeting some particular kids.

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Travel ball is a business now days. Any one who wants to form a travel ball team can now. If you don't believe they give out participation trophies(rings) in travel ball tournaments you are wrong. There are so many teams involved in it now that it's not the elite vs the elite. There are definitely some very good teams but the majority are not better than a good rec team. Most kids that are playing it now are doing it because it's the it thing to do.

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Travel ball is watered down with average teams right now I agree. My granddaughter plays , but when she is playing Rec it takes alot of the fun out of it for alot of the girls cause they can't hit off of her. Alot of it is what tournaments you enter. We try to watch and go where the better teams are. And your right about pitching,its limitations and mechanics.


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Kid's sports..... this thread might overtake the corporate worship thread.

More often than not it's a mess in my town. Daddy ball, crazy parents, coaches being paid big money under the table to influence tryouts, league board members favoring their kids that hurt the majority of participants - I've seen it all.

It's just up to the parents to find a way for the kids to learn something from it when things do get ratcheted up.

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the funny ones are the dads trying to live through their kids. they can be spotted a mile away.

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I'm mostly wanting to get him into a better situation to improve.. The set up he's in now is literally a chit show!!! The kids don't want to be there.. We had to ask kids to play outfield last night.. That's the summary of rec league now days.. Not telling little Johnny to get his ass in right field, but making sure he's ok with it and that his parents agree..haha..

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Eli has played travel ball for 3 out of the 4 past seasons. He loves it and the competition at the travel ball level is much better then our local rec league. As of next year he will have the option to try out for the middle school team but he wants to stay in travel ball instead of playing for the school.

As for pitching at the travel ball level they are limited by the number of innings they can pitch not a actual pitch count. As a parent of a pitcher if you are allowing your child to be coached by someone that is not keeping up with their pitch count you need to find a new coach. Elis coach also gives pitching lessons and he is not going to let any pitcher on the team throw more then 75 pitches on any day! The team is 12 years old and the 75 is a max so far this spring he is changing pitchers around the 55-60 pitch count. There is a ton of information and studies being done on youth pitchers and any parent that has a child pitching needs to read all the information you can find about pitch counts.


I personally know a kid now that won't ever pitch at the high school level because of overuse by a coach. The kid at 9 yrs old was allowed to throw 102 pitches in less then 12 hours absolutely ridiculous!

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Originally Posted By: headshot1
Travel ball is a business now days. Any one who wants to form a travel ball team can now. If you don't believe they give out participation trophies(rings) in travel ball tournaments you are wrong. There are so many teams involved in it now that it's not the elite vs the elite. There are definitely some very good teams but the majority are not better than a good rec team. Most kids that are playing it now are doing it because it's the it thing to do.


After the first month of the season travel ball team will be classified by how good they are. Single A ( being the worse) , AA ( most teams in the state will be in this group and for the most part these games will be very competitive), then there is AAA & majors classification I have seen them play and they are the best of the best of the age group and look like miniature college teams.


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Re: Travel Ball.. I see why now [Re: nacho] #2068276
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It's the combination of pitching, lifting weights, year round sports, that finally ruins the arm. Younger kids should not be allowed to throw curve balls. Overtime, this puts a lot of strain on the "Tommy John" tendon. A change up is just as effective and does not cause the wear and tear on the arm. My son pitched a lot in travel ball and when he got in high school, there was constant use of the arm, whether it be weight lifting, summer varsity baseball, throwing footballs, spring baseball, etc..His arm never got to rest. Andrews Institute says that a kid needs to do nothing with his arm for at least three months out of every year. (thats not happening anymore)My son was clocked at 91mph as a sophomore in HS and by his third year playing at FSU, he could not reach 82! He underwent major shoulder surgery. The surgeon told us that he used to do one of these surgeries a year and now he does them everyday. He commented that it was complete over use of the arm while in the developmental stages. Fortunately my son bounced back because he was not a pitcher, and worked his way in to a top five round pick. A few weeks before the draft, he reinjured his shoulder. (career over)!! I know I am ranting, but I have seen first hand what can happen and do not wish this on any of you. Pro scouts would much rather have a pitcher these days that grew up in the North, playing hockey and very little baseball due to weather. Their arms are simply not going to wear out.

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I agree with a lot of what you said Peach, but then again the Japanese throw 200 pitch bullpens.

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Originally Posted By: jlbuc10
I agree with a lot of what you said Peach, but then again the Japanese throw 200 pitch bullpens.

HA! I am sure they have it down to a science. There were days in the summer where my son would go in for a football weight workout, then go throw footballs, then go to baseball practice, then play a double header that night. The four players that were in his same situation, all ended up with surgeries in college.Its just too much.

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In regard to overuse, I'm always amazed at how refreshed NFL, NBA or MLB players look and perform after 6-8 months off due to rehab. Their bodies can heal and rest, they get normal sleep (sometimes) and diet, basically they get realigned.

Marshawn Lynch is thinking of returning to the NFL with the Raiders. He's been out for a year or so. I'll bet he will sign a 3-5 year deal and be a beast for about two seasons, then start to taper and retire for good.


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Originally Posted By: Clem
In regard to overuse, I'm always amazed at how refreshed NFL, NBA or MLB players look and perform after 6-8 months off due to rehab. Their bodies can heal and rest, they get normal sleep (sometimes) and diet, basically they get realigned.

Marshawn Lynch is thinking of returning to the NFL with the Raiders. He's been out for a year or so. I'll bet he will sign a 3-5 year deal and be a beast for about two seasons, then start to taper and retire for good.


Very good point!!

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Eli has played travel ball for 3 out of the 4 past seasons. He loves it and the competition at the travel ball level is much better then our local rec league. As of next year he will have the option to try out for the middle school team but he wants to stay in travel ball instead of playing for the school.


This may not be a bad idea depending on the school and the coach. My youngest is playing 7th grade ball at the middle school this year and I can say it is like playing rec ball. I have kept this group of 7 kids together since they were 5 years old playing travel ball and now in school it is lets let everyone play. Sorry but when you get to this level it is about winning and not feelings.

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I agree with a lot of what you said Peach, but then again the Japanese throw 200 pitch bullpens.

HA! I am sure they have it down to a science. There were days in the summer where my son would go in for a football weight workout, then go throw footballs, then go to baseball practice, then play a double header that night. The four players that were in his same situation, all ended up with surgeries in college.Its just too much.


I will agree that is way too much use

Re: Travel Ball.. I see why now [Re: Bsivley1978] #2068335
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I got no kids in travel ball, so I don't really know much about it. But I can tell you that wearing out a kid's arm is nothing new. Dallas County had good baseball teams in the late 60s; may have won the state one year. But they only had one pitcher. Their coach pitched him every game. I know that at least once he pitched both games of a double-header.

He seldom threw a fastball, just a lot of junk pitches, but he was good enough to have played college ball. I never heard if he played after HS, but I doubt his arm held up. I think it was soon after that the state put in some limits on how much a kid could throw.


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Travel ball is a business now days. Any one who wants to form a travel ball team can now. If you don't believe they give out participation trophies(rings) in travel ball tournaments you are wrong. There are so many teams involved in it now that it's not the elite vs the elite. There are definitely some very good teams but the majority are not better than a good rec team. Most kids that are playing it now are doing it because it's the it thing to do.


After the first month of the season travel ball team will be classified by how good they are. Single A ( being the worse) , AA ( most teams in the state will be in this group and for the most part these games will be very competitive), then there is AAA & majors classification I have seen them play and they are the best of the best of the age group and look like miniature college teams.


You are right on the ranking most teams are AA and they are some that are pretty good but most are just average. The major teams are a different story and something to see! Most people hear travel ball and assume it's a huge step up from rec ball and that is not always true.

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When I was umpiring college baseball at one of our yearly clinics we had Dr Andrews come and speak. I wish every parent who had a child that plays baseball could have heard his lecture. He said that he sees more damaged elbows from kids who throw way too much. He said that it's ok to teach a kid to throw a curve ball, but would not recommend letting him throw it on a consistent basis, in games or practice till they were at least 16-17 years old. He said 90% of rec league and travel ball coaches over throw pitchers and don't know how to care for their arms after they are taken out of games and the following day. If anyone ever gets the chance to hear him speak, please do so. There is not a more qualified person when it comes to shoulders and elbows.


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Playing 8 months a year ruined my arm, or so said my Dr. 20 years later it still hurts to throw a rock. I'm told by the Dr I'm lucky I haven't had surgery yet. Although I'm sure it's coming at some point.


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Most of the guys I grew up playing ball with that played years of travel ball never made it to thru the first year of college ball or a year or 2 after being drafted. Tommy John and shoulder surgeries for most of them. My dad refused to let me throw a curve ball until I was in 7-8th grade and I'm thankful for it.

Only exception that I grew up playing with is Josh Donaldson. He is definitely on top of his game

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Originally Posted By: auburn17
Most of the guys I grew up playing ball with that played years of travel ball never made it to thru the first year of college ball or a year or 2 after being drafted. Tommy John and shoulder surgeries for most of them. My dad refused to let me throw a curve ball until I was in 7-8th grade and I'm thankful for it.

Only exception that I grew up playing with is Josh Donaldson. He is definitely on top of his game


He is a great player. I hope the money didn't change him.


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I met several of the barons pitchers one time and their advise was to learn how to throw correctly and to never throw a curve until they were getting paid to do it. If you have the goods all you need is a fast ball and change up and control. The big league coaches would teach you the rest.


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If your son actually has potential to be a college or past that level pitcher, then you are a fool for letting him pitch in travel ball.

Not saying "you", but the collective you. Colleges are already avoiding travel ball kids for pitchers and it is going to get worse.



I totally disagree with this comment. If you look at most any kid from a D1 college that has been or being recruited will come from Travel Ball, especially pitchers. The level of competition at the High School level does not even compare to the Travel Ball level at the same age groups.


^^^This^^^. Rec ball is so weak now days because of the everyone gets a trophy mentality.

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Originally Posted By: auburn17
Most of the guys I grew up playing ball with that played years of travel ball never made it to thru the first year of college ball or a year or 2 after being drafted. Tommy John and shoulder surgeries for most of them. My dad refused to let me throw a curve ball until I was in 7-8th grade and I'm thankful for it.

Only exception that I grew up playing with is Josh Donaldson. He is definitely on top of his game

My son played on some teams with Josh Donaldson when they were Seniors in HS. I think one reason his arm was good is that I never saw him pitch.

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City league ball in our area was very good 15 years ago. Then this happened. 12-15 kids left to make a travel ball team. They were at the level that I would consider warranted it.I t was 15 of 100 kids. Well the next year some parents didn't like the direction and decided to take a few of those kids and then needed 8-10 more so we lost those. And the first time had to fill their spots so now in just 2 years we've had lost 25-30 of the top kids. Then the next year and same thing, but now it's all about inviting the dad's that can write the check to cover the fees for the team, it's not about the kids being good enough because those kids that really should be playing have long been gone.

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Originally Posted By: Peach
Originally Posted By: auburn17
Most of the guys I grew up playing ball with that played years of travel ball never made it to thru the first year of college ball or a year or 2 after being drafted. Tommy John and shoulder surgeries for most of them. My dad refused to let me throw a curve ball until I was in 7-8th grade and I'm thankful for it.

Only exception that I grew up playing with is Josh Donaldson. He is definitely on top of his game

My son played on some teams with Josh Donaldson when they were Seniors in HS. I think one reason his arm was good is that I never saw him pitch.


He pitched pretty regular in little league, could sling the hell out of it just had no control. I hated hitting against him.

He is still a down to earth guy. Money hasn't changed him too bad. We went down to Tampa and watched him play this past season. He invited several of us over to his house after the game to watch the auburn game. Super happy for him, he deserves it

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Originally Posted By: DaffyDucksWorstNightmare


We traveled from the time I was 12-18yrs old, you are completely nuts if you think College Coaches go to REC parks to look at recruits, H.S. okay MAYBE on occasions. Travel ball carries the Elite competition, recruiters can hit one tournament to watch 15 different teams, and most importantly colleges are playing as well playing the same time as REC/H.S.. I can remember at 18 being at East Cobb with 20 different teams during the summer, playing against the like of McCann, Francouer etc that place had 75 college and professional scouts, We played in the championship game and there was 25 scouts lined against the fence. Went to Nashville to play in a tournament with 20+ teams, it was the same way, we actually took down David Price's team (he didn't pitch but they were still elite). Go watch the Jupiter FL tournament World Wooden Bat classic, teams come in from across the world and there are 100s of scouts there.

AS for pitching if the Travel Coach isn't monitoring the # of pitches being thrown by his kids, pitch by pitch, and week to week, you as a parent need to look for a new team or speak up LOUD. 15 and under shouldn't exceed 50p a week, 15 and older 75p at MOST. As a parent you need to have a set LIMIT of innings per year you think acceptable to pitch, and age plays a factor.



The type of travel you are talking about is far beyond that of USSSA or grand slam. The EC Astros, Dulin Dodgers, Chain, Chet Lemon's juice type teams are far beyond what most kids are ever going to play.

The average 8-14u AA travel team isn't much better, if any, than a rec team. Ive watched a lot of travel ball through the years and it is, in my opinion, not very competitive these days

Not saying you shouldn't put your kid in travel ball, mine played it his whole life. But with the recent influx of every kid in town playing travel it's just not as competitive as it once was. Although I'm sure it's still the most expensive baseball around.



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