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45-70 vs 30-30 #2063146
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I'm in the market for a bonafide woods gun. I'm talking shots within 100 yds and bow hunting type setups. I really want a lever gun with fix low power scope scenario. These two calibers are about as common as I can get in a lever gun as far as ammo availability. Stopping power and blood trails are important to me. Which caliber would you choose?

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063168
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45/70 no comparison at 100 yrds. I have killed 26 with my H&R 45/70 and only one ran 20yrds other 25 never took a step. Some people complain about recoil but doesn't kick bad to me ,and my niece who is 17 and weighs 100 Lbs killed her first 2 deer with it. The one that ran was actually shot at 165 yrds, Its an awesome round

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063173
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If not recoil sensitive I would choose the 45-70 just because it is something different. It will stomp a deer.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063190
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You can get a BLR in common calibers.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063202
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35 Remington.
Kittery trading post has 2 right now. Cheapest is $400.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063233
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And that BLR comes in .450 marlin .358win&.325wsm.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063241
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I shoot a 45-70, no recoil when you're shooting a deer. Never lost a deer - they tend to drop where they're standing. All close shots like you described.

Sighting that thing in can leave a mark, though.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2063245
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45-70 been using one for over 20 yrs.


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: 300gr] #2063496
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35 Remington is really hard to beat. Hard to kill one "deader". 30-30 works fine. You might could find a short one 18" barrel, which is a handy little devil. 35 Remington, in my experience,... better than 30-30 and not as overkill as 45-70. Good round. 45-70 in something like a Guide Gun = Show Stopper at those ranges.

Best misunderstood and labeled "woods" round ever = .356 or.358 Winchester. Hands down. Bought the same up close but just not as limited with it as you can comfortably shoot a bit further.

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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Goatkiller] #2064172
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Never owned a 30-30 but I do own a 45-70 and it flats kills the hell out of deer. Devastating round. Only had 1 deer run and I hit it bad, every other DRT.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064187
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To answer your question - 45-70 = stopping power.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064267
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There's a Savage 99 for sale on 24hourcampfire that's been converted to 358 Win. for $700. You're welcome!

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064400
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Can't go wrong with either one for a brush gun. Both are great. It really just depends how much you want to pay for ammo. 45-70 is more expensive to feed but it is a hammer on deer. 3030 is a great brush too d too and is cheap to buy.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064413
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I believe I'm going to go with the 45-70. What ammo would y'all recommend?

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064431
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Buffalo bore,Grizzly cartridge or Corbon


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064505
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my son loves the hornady leverevolution in his nef .45-70 ...


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064537
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300gr of course smile I prefer solid not hollow points. Preferred the Winchester but bought fusion last time. They are just as good


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064581
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every body knows that there has been more deer killed with 30-30 than any other caliber !!!

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064593
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In my .45-70 Handi-rifle, I also use the Hornady Leverevolution 325 grain FTX. Three holes touching at 100 yards and it does a great job on deer.
http://www.hornady.com/store/45-70-government-325-gr-ftx-leverevolution/


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2064935
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No one has said it yet and that prolly because it wasn't in the title but I would take a good look at the 444 as well.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2065098
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Winchester 300gr hollow points do the trick. If you handload there are lots of other options. I use hardcast coated bullets in my handloads and they do some damage.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2065211
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30-30, 35 Rem, 45-70. Have all three. Never killed one with 30-30. Never seen one hit so hard as I have with 35 Rem and 45-70. 30-30 and 35 will be lighter recoil with factory. If you reload you can get about the same recoil from a 45-70. I am pushing 405 grn bullet 1325 fps and it is stomper. And recoil is very manageable.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2065244
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What about a Savage 300? It's a lever action and excellent close range gun.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: BamaGrad85] #2065301
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Originally Posted By: BamaGrad85
What about a Savage 300? It's a lever action and excellent close range gun.


Do you mean a Savage 99 in 300 savage caliber? I've never heard of a model 300 Savage,but that doesn't mean much.

I would love to have that 358 Win Savage 99 listed for $700 at 24hourcampfire.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2065449
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I remember reading about the 300 Savage years ago. The author said "never underestimate a gent with a 300 Savage. He provably knows something you don't."


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2065473
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Yes, I have a Savage Model 99 in 300 Savage caliber. Keep in mind it was a real popular deer rifle before the 308 Win came around. Great gun regardless.

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Originally Posted By: BamaGrad85
Yes, I have a Savage Model 99 in 300 Savage caliber. Keep in mind it was a real popular deer rifle before the 308 Win came around. Great gun regardless.


Absolutely! I still want one in 358 Win.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Goatkiller] #2069236
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
35 Remington is really hard to beat. Hard to kill one "deader". 30-30 works fine. You might could find a short one 18" barrel, which is a handy little devil. 35 Remington, in my experience,... better than 30-30 and not as overkill as 45-70. Good round. 45-70 in something like a Guide Gun = Show Stopper at those ranges.

Best misunderstood and labeled "woods" round ever = .356 or.358 Winchester. Hands down. Bought the same up close but just not as limited with it as you can comfortably shoot a bit further.


Marlin 1895G guide gun. Its my go to gun for thick stuff and hardwood bottoms.

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just fyi, Henry is coming out with a line of single shots this spring or summer.
one will be the 45/70. i do plan on getting one.

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Originally Posted By: SkipJack
To answer your question - 45-70 = stopping power.

And it takes more to turn a 45-70 than a 30-30 or .35
45-70 is superior in thick stuff


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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You ever shoot the 45/7o you wont look back.

Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2077351
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I've owned a 45/70 guide gun, a model 94 30-30 and a 35 Remington. I be shot a .444 a few times. I'd go with the 35 Remington personally. But there is something cool about shooting a 45/70!! I miss mine and wish I never would have sold it!


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2081788
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A 30/30 is one of the best deer guns in the world. I know mine has taken more deer than I can remember. But I'm a big fan of the 45-70 too. Both are good brush guns. Ammo is much cheaper for the 30/30 but other than that, its a toss up. Either one is just as good a killer as the other.


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Re: 45-70 vs 30-30 [Re: Forrestgump1] #2082575
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I have killed a lot of deer with my 30-30 Marlin. Killed a coyote at 205 steps one time. 45-70 harder on ears.

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Just don't get ported barrels


Two roads diverged in the woods and I took the one with deep ruts,hills and mud.It may be bumpy but WHAT A RIDE!
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Just don't get ported barrels
One of my favorite guns to shoot was a 4570 that I ported. It now belongs to 300ruger. Last i heard he loves it too. I really couldn't tell a difference in noise level out in the open. The porting really keeps the barrel down and flat for follow up shots or multiple shots (pig hunting) if done right.

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