Whatchu talking bout Facebook page Willis?

He trolls FB for sure. I have argued with him before, many times. If yo don't agree with him he just tells you "you're stupid" and wants to know your education background. I told him I go by what I see. But he personally attacks everyone. He needs a good kick in the teeth

Anyone got any news on where this thing stands??

The bill goes to Senate for vote tomorrow. If you have a preference you should contact your local Senator and let them know how you feel. I understand that the Alabama Wildlife Federation is making a MAJOR effort to kill this bill. If you are a AWF member you should let them know your opinion also. Again the vote is tomorrow.

Getting on this forum and complaining will not affect the outcome of this bill. Contacting your Senator and AWF before the vote will

AWF is a major scam!!!!!!!!.

They have nothing to do with the National Wildlife Federation just a PAC where suckers help them make money. If they are against it then I am praying that the Baiting Bill passes.

I once got offered an environmental job with AWF. Show up with my new environmental degree and a bunch of "low class" folks were there also. Kind of seemed strange looking at folks who were newly hired as people such as these were typically only seen during the week of the Alabama National Fair. Turns out the job was going door to door soliciting for donations to AWF. They said Prattville didn't want them doing it but it was their constitutional right. They said whatever you do don't tell people that AWF is not part of the National Wildlife Federation. They then instructed us how to stab dogs in the eyes with our ink pens if people let them out while we were to be soliciting fund. At the point I walked out.

In my opinion one of the best things that can ever happen for proper conservation and game management in this State is that AWF SCAM is brought to light. Support the National Wildlife Federation and the Nature Conservancy but shrew AWF !

Who do we contact to show our Support??
I have already spoke with the Bill Sponsor and some of his buddies. Anybody else??

Find out who your state Senator is and send him a message or leave a message on his phone. Call or message AWF and tell them you support the bill. If enough people express support for the bill it could make a difference. As it stands right now, AWF thinks they have votes in Senate to kill the bill. Just one or two votes will decide the outcome

I'm a lifetime member of AWF and disagree with their position on this bill. I wish they would come out and state their position and explain why. Instead they are using lobbyists and the good ole boy network to kill this bill

My Senator is Paul Bussman who covers Cullman, Lawrence, and Winston Countied. I just called his office and told him that as a land owner and wildlife manager I support a bill that allows for supplemental feeding. I ask him to support the bill. If enough hunters contact their Senator tonight and in the morning it will make a difference. If you can't find their phone number, just send them a message on messenger. Keep all correspondence positive and professional as possible

I just called down there. Lady on the phone transferred me to Senate Bills line. Go figure they are adjourned for the day.

Good article on the subject:


http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/stor...-bill/99376976/

"Baiting would aid" in transmission from deer to deer? Funny how folks always cry or use CWD as an excuse as to why baiting should be illegal, but throwing feed on the ground is legal 365 days out of the year.

As are food plots, slat blocks, mineral licks, etc. And they ALL serve the same purpose.....to cause deer to congregate and feed.

So when you drive into the entrance of Great Southern Outdoors. What is it about a 1/4 of a mile on the right where the feeder has been for maybe a decade. Isn't Steve Long in Theory the head Guide at Great Southern Outdoors?

If people were baiting all over the state wouldn't that cause the deer to disperse to thousands of feeders and not congregate on rich landowner properties where year round feeding (quasi legal baiting is practiced) occurs. Baiting in that way would be beneficial !!! I bet anybody here that I could go in with that hypothesis and find a statistically significant relationship that large numbers of baiting sites disperse deer beneficially.

Funny how he states right off the bat that he is against baiting and then he tries, poorly, to tell why it is bad, bad, bad. He quotes the QDMA, the same people that yelled SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES, SHOOT DOES until it really hurt the population of deer. He doesn't say anything about the states that have legal baiting that don't have a disease problem. Then there is the part about baiting not having any effect on the harvest totals and then saying baiting might decimate the deer population. Dumb ass.

Corn feeding doesn't do anything for deer.
it is just like feeding sugar candy to a child.


I have no problem with folk feeding protein pellets or whatever that protein deer chow is in the non deer season.
That is good for deer and helps boost antler growth. If it wasn't so much year round work to do so I would be doing it.
I find it easier to just plant spring and summer food plots with high protein plants.

I also have no problem with corn for killing hogs as they are just a nuisance animal and I have no objection to killing them in any way possible - night hunting included.

Corn pile hunting and corn feeder hunting to me though is just a violation of hunter honor code, hunter ethics and fair chase. That is my honest truly held belief on the matter.

We need to be teaching young and new hunters true woodsmanship skills and everything about the outdoors, forest, habitat, animals, etc, not teaching them that deer hunting is sitting in a shooting house in front of a pile of corn.

I think that a lot of people think that being able to legally hunt over a corn pile is going to magically get them the kind of buck that they see on the hunting shows on the Outdoor Channel. And get it fast - just by hunting one or two or three weekends and poof, they get a magic 5.5 year old 145 inch buck, thanks to corn. I don't think that is a realistic expectation at all. Or a right mentality.

not going to argue th ethics of hunting over corn but do you really believe that corn is no more beneficial to deer than , say, cardboard??? NO protein, no carbs, nothing???

Is it the nutritional value of corn or hunting over specific types of food that you have a problem with?

Wheat plants = Ok
Oat plants = Ok
Clover = Ok
Corn = Ok if planted and bushhogged but not OK if bought and dumped
Roasted Soybeans???

As you indicated, mature bucks are not going to come running in to corn piles. So, what the harm in hunting over one? If someone wants to waste their time in hunting using an unproductive method, then let them.

If baiting becomes legal, let's suppose a hunter does this. They carry in a small bag of say, roasted soybeans with them when they go in to hunt. They then place some on the ground in their shooting lanes, not to draw deer in, but to possibly stop them when they cross so they can judge them more accurately or for a shot. They have scouted and done their homework and know where the deer travel so they are not trying to truly bait them, they just want to stop them. Would this make them lazy or unethical? I know this may not be the norm, but not all baiting may be bad, IMHO. I think the lazy would be seldom rewarded, but if it is gone about smartly, it could be advantageous. Just a thought.

From Deer and Deer Hunting pros and cons for feeding corn.


The use of corn while deer hunting is a topic that spawns passionate arguments. Here some facts to consider when using corn.

Pros

Probably the biggest reason for corn’s popularity as a feed ingredient can be found in its nutrient profile. Energy, in the form of carbohydrates and fats/oils, make up the largest dietary need for all animals. Corn has a fat content of approximately 4 percent and is loaded with carbohydrates in the form of highly digestible starch. This combination makes corn akin to rocket fuel in terms of energy value.

When deer consume corn, it is rapidly digested by specific rumen microbes that feed largely on starch. The acids produced by this fermentation process can drop the pH in rumen by an amount proportional to the amount of corn consumed. If consumed in large amounts, the microbes responsible for fiber digestion (cellulose and hemicellulose) decrease in number due to lack of food and decreased pH.

The longer corn is consumed, the more the rumen microbial population shifts to a higher percentage of starch digesting microbes and the lower the pH will drop. As long as this process occurs gradually — and at least some forage or fiber is present in the diet — the deer’s rumen will adjust and few problems will occur.

Cons

If the corn is immediately taken away or no longer available following "slug" (binge) eating and deer return to a high fiber diet, the rumen microbial population cannot effectively digest the fibrous foods. Deer will effectively have little to no nutrients until the rumen population can adjust to the high-fiber diet. In essence, a type of starvation occurs.

Many diseases are spread via contact — whether directly or indirectly. So, the argument of a corn “pile” increasing the odds of spreading disease is a valid point, especially if practicing “slug” feeding. This will result in corn being present for multiple days, allowing several deer to use the same pile and increase the chances of disease transmission.