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Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: timbercruiser] #2044917
03/02/17 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: timbercruiser
It depends on whose ox is being gored. If you don't hunt like I hunt then you are an idiot poaching sumbitch, etc. I for once agree with burbank, if you are luring or enticing an animal you are baiting. Doesn't matter if it is corn, BFO, sex scent lure, Record Rack, rye, salt, peanut butter flavored rice bran or any other kind of lure, it is all out there for the same purpose.


I agree. Might as well ban fawn bleats and grunt calls

Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Rocket62] #2044922
03/02/17 10:29 AM
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Lets look at the difference between growing crops and purchasing corn or protein to feed.

I have close to $30k invested in a tractor, trailer, bush hog, disk, spreader, and various other implements. I spent several thousand on dozier rental to push my plots out, just so I would have enough bare ground to plant; eventhough it is acerage I took out of timber production and will be an economic loss. Every year I spend thousands on lime, fertilizer and seed, and that cost was ven higher this year due to drought and having to plant twice to get about half of the stand I normally have.

I could have taken the same money spent food plotting and purchased a lot of corn and protein pellets and had a guaranteed food source 365 days per year every year and still be abead of the game from a cost stand point. I could still feed cheaper if I take the equipment cost out and just buy corn and protein with my lime, seed, fertilizer, and fuel money each year.

Both scenarios would accomplish the same goal: More and bigger deer on my property.

I will continue to plant my plots and improve my natural food sources regardless to any baiting law that is passed, but to call somebody lazy or a poor hunter for feeding instead of food plotting is ridiculous.

The good Lord has blessed me with the money and land to do what I do. I am thankful for the blessing and smart enough to realize not everybody can do the same.

Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Rocket62] #2044925
03/02/17 10:38 AM
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I would pay a hell of a lot more than $15 to end all present and future talks about possibly allowing baiting.

I'm tired of this talk. Damn millennials.

Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Rocket62] #2044963
03/02/17 11:47 AM
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Not everyone will agree on if we should bait or not. I don't really care either way. Think about this if you are a fishermen. Do you use bait for that or just throw a naked hook in the water and hope something bites it. There are so many ways to look at it. I just hope everybody enjoys the hunt.


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Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: WmHunter] #2044966
03/02/17 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By: WmHunter
Originally Posted By: burbank

Food plots .... are in the same category as dumping corn.


Burbank, you are cool guy, but the above statement is just plain dumb.

If you don't know the difference between growing crops and purchasing bags of corn and dumping them out on the ground then there is no rational reasoning with you.

And THAT is the problem here - no RATIONAL reasoning with the pro side of corn pile "hunting".


Let me start off saying I'm not a big pro baiting guy. I have a large plot planted in a "high octane" Fall mix , it's as good as anybody's. It's surrounded by a thick, 10 yo hardwood clear cut. It is not overhunted by any stretch . When I give someone a tour of the property I always say " now I'm gonna show you what legal bait looks like."

I guess you think, bush hogging perfectly good standing corn isn't bait either. State said that practice was perfectly legal to hunt over . Heck, they even did it on state property. That my friend is bait, as is standing corn, IMO.

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Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Rocket62] #2044992
03/02/17 12:42 PM
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I was sitting out here hunting one day thinking about this debate. I was looking around at the pear trees I planted that were producing pears that the deer eat…..the apple trees I planted….the Asian persimmons……the plums…..the peaches…….the Chinese chestnuts…..the sequin chestnuts…..the nuttall oaks….the sawtooth oaks….the chinkapin oaks…..the crabapples…..the clover…..the cereal rye……the oats……the turnips…….all of which were providing food sources that bring deer into my property. I thought to myself that it sure seemed silly that I was allowed to feed the deer with all of the other food sources….but if I put out a little corn in front of my camera over there, then I would be considered then baiting. That seems absurd to me. Just legalize it so we can move on to more important issues.

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Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: CNC] #2045009
03/02/17 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: CNC
I was sitting out here hunting one day thinking about this debate. I was looking around at the pear trees I planted that were producing pears that the deer eat…..the apple trees I planted….the Asian persimmons……the plums…..the peaches…….the Chinese chestnuts…..the sequin chestnuts…..the nuttall oaks….the sawtooth oaks….the chinkapin oaks…..the crabapples…..the clover…..the cereal rye……the oats……the turnips…….all of which were providing food sources that bring deer into my property. I thought to myself that it sure seemed silly that I was allowed to feed the deer with all of the other food sources….but if I put out a little corn in front of my camera over there, then I would be considered then baiting. That seems absurd to me. Just legalize it so we can move on to more important issues.


I agree it's perfectly legal to hunt an apple tree but if you throw out a bag of apples it's not

Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Rocket62] #2045130
03/02/17 03:37 PM
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You're right Burbank, its tough being a mentor. You're intimidated by my superior intelligence and I get that. Denial is one of many defensive emotions when one feels inferior. But don't worry, I'm not offended at all. Keep your chin up and trust your new mentor, I will never lead you astray. Eventually we'll cast off your shadow of shame and you'll feel much better for reclaiming that lost integrity.


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Re: Baiting Bill Question ... [Re: Out back] #2045166
03/02/17 04:12 PM
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Sweet! I've always wanted to learn to be lonely and pathetic!

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Originally Posted By: Out back
You're right Burbank, its tough being a mentor. You're intimidated by my superior intelligence and I get that. Denial is one of many defensive emotions when one feels inferior. But don't worry, I'm not offended at all. Keep your chin up and trust your new mentor, I will never lead you astray. Eventually we'll cast off your shadow of shame and you'll feel much better for reclaiming that lost integrity.

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