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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/27/17 03:54 PM
02/27/17 03:54 PM
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Someone answered this recently. I think they said it dropped all of its leaves after temps dipped below freezing but said it still made good cover. If you want to use it for bedding cover, the trick is going to be getting it tall enough. If your deer density is high, they'll keep it mowed. I'd suggest milorganite as a deterrent to the browsing if it's not growing high enough.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/27/17 05:20 PM
02/27/17 05:20 PM
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I let my sunn hemp get too big like over tractor cab tall in the summer. Does bedded fawns all in it. Deer hammered it. I killed a lot bush hogging it that big. A frost would kill it dead. It will get blown down in storms and create a mess the stalks get so big. I gramoxoned mine in Sept and disked it in and like to never broke it down. There's better options. I might use tropical corn before sunn hemp and leave it standing.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/27/17 06:24 PM
02/27/17 06:24 PM
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257 made a good point. Does and fawns frequent the sunn hemp when it's tall. This might make a good option for guys who have very little fawn cover, just be careful when and if you decide to mow it.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 03:50 AM
02/28/17 03:50 AM
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Its sounds to me like you need something like switch grass or some other type of NWSG. I see some kind of stuff being grown on my way to Tallassee on some of the Auburn research land just south of town (or at least that's what I think it is) that I'd love to know what is called. It's at least head high and looks like the thickest patch of switchgrass you've ever seen. They harvest it into bales and it comes right back the next year. It looks like ideal bedding.
Last edited by CNC; 02/28/17 04:33 AM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 04:26 AM
02/28/17 04:26 AM
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I would plant sunn hemp again. The patch I stayed on top of an mowed was awesome. Deer hammered it. Also last year in the major drought my corn held up better where I had the SH previously. I think it's a good asset in the right situation
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: CNC]
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02/28/17 04:52 AM
02/28/17 04:52 AM
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Its sounds to me like you need something like switch grass or some other type of NWSG. I see some kind of stuff being grown on my way to Tallassee on some of the Auburn research land just south of town (or at least that's what I think it is) that I'd love to know what is called. It's at least head high and looks like the thickest patch of switchgrass you've ever seen. They harvest it into bales and it comes right back the next year. It looks like ideal bedding. Stop an ask. I'd like to know also. I'd love to have something I could mow and it come back. I've considered Johnson grass. I have a few weeks before I do something. I can tell y'all the first 2 seasons over it where I left everything laying where it fell was an horrific failure. I saw 3 deer TOTAL in 2 years in it. But it was a 5 year project for me and I will stay on the original plan.
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 06:45 AM
02/28/17 06:45 AM
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The stuff CNC is talking about looks like something in the pampas grass family. Pampas grass grows thick and comes back every year but I'm not sure if it would have any other benefit that you're looking for.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: Yelp softly]
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02/28/17 08:33 AM
02/28/17 08:33 AM
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CNC
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The stuff CNC is talking about looks like something in the pampas grass family. Pampas grass grows thick and comes back every year but I'm not sure if it would have any other benefit that you're looking for. I'm gonna take a picture of the patch I'm talking about if they haven't cut it yet.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 10:12 AM
02/28/17 10:12 AM
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How many deer do you anticipate to use the 2 acres of bedding?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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02/28/17 10:45 AM
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How many deer do you anticipate to use the 2 acres of bedding? Anticipate (HOPE!), a lot using it. Now I'm not talking a lot of deer every day. But deer frequent it enough that when the bucks start traveling looking for hot does, this is a place they check. If I could AVERAGE 1 deer per day bedding in it during season I would be ecstatic. Remember though, THIS IS JUST AN EXPERIMENT. I've never heard or read of what I am calling a PERMENANT bedding area. Realistically, I don't know what to expect. This is not my first "project" just going with an idea that I've never read or heard about. Some have worked. Some have failed. I still haven't found the magic bean but I enjoy looking for it.
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 10:58 AM
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How many deer do you anticipate to use the 2 acres of bedding? Anticipate (HOPE!), a lot using it. Now I'm not talking a lot of deer every day. But deer frequent it enough that when the bucks start traveling looking for hot does, this is a place they check. If I could AVERAGE 1 deer per day bedding in it during season I would be ecstatic. Remember though, THIS IS JUST AN EXPERIMENT. I've never heard or read of what I am calling a PERMENANT bedding area. Realistically, I don't know what to expect. This is not my first "project" just going with an idea that I've never read or heard about. Some have worked. Some have failed. I still haven't found the magic bean but I enjoy looking for it. In my experience, enhancing areas that deer already want to be in works better than arbitrarily picking a spot. Not saying that you just picked a spot, I'm just saying that you may see some favorable results if they already want to be there. I would be shocked if your results didn't improve more vastly with a feeder in the middle of that bedding area.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: centralala]
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02/28/17 04:50 PM
02/28/17 04:50 PM
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If you'll drive your 4-wheeler to the feeder everytime you fill it, it won't bother the deer at all.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: CNC]
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03/03/17 02:53 AM
03/03/17 02:53 AM
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I'm gonna take a picture of the patch I'm talking about if they haven't cut it yet.
My pic turned out looking like crap for some reason. I'll post it anyways so you can get the gist of what I'm talking about but I'll have to take my real camera back with me to get a better pic one day.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: coop4412]
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03/04/17 02:12 PM
03/04/17 02:12 PM
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I have talked to some of the guys that work for the experimental farm and they say that the deer are thick as thieves in Chicago in the switchgrass across from GKN. I am guessing that would be expected anywhere but with the best looking bedding grounds imaginable being right beside it, it says even more. I'm not following you. What are these best looking bedding grounds grounds you speak of? GKN is surrounded by crop land that butts up to mature woods. I'm not aware of any good bedding grounds near there.
"When there was no fowl, we ate crawdad, when there was no crawdad, we ate sand."
"YOU ATE SAND!" - Raising Arizona
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Re: Sunn Hemp....again
[Re: CNC]
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03/05/17 04:40 AM
03/05/17 04:40 AM
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I'm gonna take a picture of the patch I'm talking about if they haven't cut it yet.
My pic turned out looking like crap for some reason. I'll post it anyways so you can get the gist of what I'm talking about but I'll have to take my real camera back with me to get a better pic one day. You should enter that in anart showing. It actually looks like a painting to me. Should have been horizontal but hey who am I to complain.
"Arguing on the internet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You may be good at chess, but the pigeon is just going to knock all the pieces down, take a crap on the table, and strut around like its victorious."--Anonymous
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