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Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: perchjerker] #2038288
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There's a little known (and as of yet unenforced) requirement buried deep in the obamacare law that require physicians to ask if you have guns in your home. If so, they are supposed to make a detailed report to some federal oversight agency. I've had two of my regular doctors explain it but I still didn't fully understand the language


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Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: perchjerker] #2038296
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I'll answer in Jeopardy format; Who is the Republican congress.


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Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: bill] #2038306
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The people who like it are like a buddy of mine. Got to talking about insurance costs and he says he isn't paying but like $16 a month.Find out the reason he gets such cheap coverage is he only claims about $15,000/year. He is a plumber/electrician and makes a LOT more than that.So its the cheats, frauds and general losers who like it. Wish he had not told me cause I pretty much lost all my respect for the guy and he is a very old friend.

Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: Out back] #2038320
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Originally Posted By: Out back
There's a little known (and as of yet unenforced) requirement buried deep in the obamacare law that require physicians to ask if you have guns in your home. If so, they are supposed to make a detailed report to some federal oversight agency. I've had two of my regular doctors explain it but I still didn't fully understand the language


The NRA specifically lobbied for a measure to be put in the ACA. As far as I know, they can legally ask you, but it isn't a part of the ACA as a requirement. There are a few states where they are prohibited from asking, but in states where they aren't you don't have to answer.

A side note is the American Academy of Pediatrics added it to their guidelines years ago. My fiancé was required to ask it during her training with a pediatrician in Bham.


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Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: DryFire] #2038335
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Originally Posted By: TexasNative
Those people with preexisting conditions can now get coverage. My Dad had Type I diabetes since age 6. But every time he was hospitalized, coverage was denied as preexisting.

But, it's mostly those who are covered, but their premiums are 100% paid for by US (like my worthless sister).


"Preexisting Conditions" isn't always fully understood by many people. Here are some examples of how it used to work before Obamacare:

1. A person has some health condition and wants to purchase their own private medical coverage. So they go through underwriting, medical exam, etc... Based on their condition, they can be denied insurance coverage due to risk or insured at a higher rate. People with chronic illnesses could never pay in more than they draw, so insurance companies will deny coverage.

2. A new employee getting GROUP insurance coverage through their employee at either their hire date or an existing employee getting coverage for the first time at open enrollment period: Typically there is a 6 month to 12 month waiting period for coverage of preexisting conditions. They get health insurance so coverage isn't denied, but any preexisting conditions are carved out for a period of time. Once the waiting period is over, then their preexisting conditions do become covered.

3. A person who has insurance coverage and has had it long enough to serve any waiting period for preexisting conditions wants to get a new policy....private or employer provided. Often they can transfer from one to another without having to deal with the preexisting conditions issue....Transfer of Credible Coverage rules and COBRA rules apply. I know this is the case swapping from one employer to the next as long as the regs are followed (typically no more than a 60 day gap in credible coverage allowed to transfer into new coverage and not have to be subject to preexisting conditions clause).

This is how it used to work. Private coverage was much more strict on preexisting conditions that was employer based coverage.

My mom has Type 1 Diabetes since she was 10-12 years old and she's never been without health insurance because she was always under an employer health plan...even now as retired with pension insurance plan and Medicare.

My 17 year old son has polycystic kidney disease since he was young. He has coverage under my employer based health insurance with 3 different companies since his birth. As long as my coverage stayed current he'd have coverage. Once he is on his own, for him to ever get insurance under the old way/old regs, would be to take his certificate of credible coverage from my coverage now and transfer that to his new coverage through an emplyer of a private plan that accepted that as "waiving the preexisting conditions" clause.

Now with the Obamacare rules, people who would normally be either denied coverage due to chronic health conditions or high risk or be made to serve a 6-12 month waiting period for such conditions no longer have to do that anymore. That sounds really good on the surface because people are getting approved for healthcare insurance.

But there is a downside. Sometimes a portion of these people can and do get coverage then bump to a new plan for treatment, get coverage, get really expensive treatment, then jump ship somewhere else. This leave the insurance companies EXPOSED and increases the financial risk. This equates to increase premiums for everyone to cover these realized losses or potential losses.

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Re: Honest question. Who are these idiots wanting to keep Obama care? [Re: ronfromramer] #2038520
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Originally Posted By: ronfromramer
$15/hr paid protesters


Dead on Ron!

but you are wrong on 1 thing..they dont get 15 an hour..which is the epitome of hypocrisy!

Soros groups start at $9 an hour..IN THE MOST expensive cities in the country too..DC, NY, Chicago. I posted a bunch of ads I found for jobs as paid protestors!

Soros groups scream for $15 an hour..he starts at $9 and $15 is the MAX!

isnt that something?

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