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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: ChrisAU]
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02/13/17 06:49 AM
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Got an inquiry out with a distributor on that moss green mountain ascent...I may be able to get one for about $300 more than a new Montana. At that I think its worth it, and I like the green stock.
Got a luggage scale (cool little thing on Amazon, $8) that you can hook to the sling and lift a rifle up to get an exact weight. My 338 weighs 10.38 lbs, and my 270, which I considered much lighter, came in at 9.64 lbs (it has a heavy boyd's stock on it and a heavy bushnell x50 scope). My Savage FXP64 22LR (semi auto) with Bushnell 2-7x32 came in at 7.08 lbs.
By my calculations, with the VX-6, alumina covers, talley lightweight low mounts, and a lightweight sling the Savage LWH will come out to (assuming 5 lbs 12 oz...4 oz heavier than Savage claims) 7 lbs 3 oz. The Kimber MA would come out to 6 lbs 4 oz. After confirming the weight of my 22, I really would like it to come under that, which leaves me at the Kimbers. The Montana, un-modified, would be around 6 lbs 9 oz. Chris,if you are going to spend that much you really should look into the Barrett. It's my opinion that the Barrett would have a greater chance of shooting well right out of the box.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: ChrisAU]
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02/13/17 07:43 AM
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Can't find a weight for the Barrett, and they simply say 5-6 lbs? I may call. But still, I think its going to come in $200 higher than I can get a mountain ascent, and be atleast 1/4 lb heavier at a minimum.
On the accuracy concerns with Kimber, a 1.5" group won't bother me. Its a deer rifle for the woods. I just don't want a 10" group ha. Look at the link I posted on the Barrett. The weight for a 308 is exactly 5 lbs. There's a good chance the Kimber will shoot fine,but don't go by their guarantee. Their guarantee is actually nothing more than a statement of what should be,not a guarantee of what will be. Since it's a deer rifle for the woods, why the need for the VX6 2-12? I put a Razor 1.5-8 on mine,which I like better than a VX6 anyway. Since you are counting ounces and paying big $$$ for them ,the choice of scope is a huge part. A simple VX2 2-7 is a great woods scope and much lighter,plus it balances on a Montana wonderfully.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: ChrisAU]
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02/13/17 08:47 AM
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Unfortunately I have a cataract in my right eye that limits my vision to a corrected 25/20 - I know thats still pretty good, but I have really placed an emphasis on high quality glass, and I can tell a big difference in say VX-2 vs VX-6. And I'm a Leupold fanboy ha. I was definitely considering the 2.5-8x36 VX-3i, but having just put a 3-18x44 VX-6 on my 338 I'd hate to have worse glass on the rifle I'll use 90% of the time I hunt, if that makes any sense whatsoever ha. The VX-6 2-12x42 is only 16.8 oz, while the VX-2 2-7x33 is 9.9 oz and the 2.5-8x36 is 11.4 oz. Thats a lotttt of optics for the ounces.
For instance, your Razor 1.5-8x32 is 13.4 oz - just 3.4 oz lighter than the 2-12x42 VX-6. That is an impressive FOV on that Vortex though... I agree with you on weight but you should still take a look at that Razor if you can. I think the glass and reticle is actually better than that VX6. I know the eye box is. I love the very generous eye box and FOV on 1.5 for a woods gun. It makes it very easy to get behind and get on a moving target fast. I do like the illumination and power range on the VX6. It's a good scope. It's just personal preference,because everything is a trade off in some area.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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02/13/17 09:20 AM
02/13/17 09:20 AM
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I don't know worse glass is relative. If you are talking about a woods gun you just don't really need all that to shoot a deer. Maybe sheep hunting but around here no way. Consider this I got Schmitt and Benders...but you know what I hunted with most of deer season? A 2.5-8 Leupold VX3 on my woods gun and a Minox HD 5 on what I was food plot hunting with late afternoon. And I didn't need anything more expensive. Hail I got a 35 remington with a $150 RedField on it I deer hunt with. Does everything I need it to do.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: R_H_Clark]
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02/13/17 09:53 AM
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Unfortunately I have a cataract in my right eye that limits my vision to a corrected 25/20 - I know thats still pretty good, but I have really placed an emphasis on high quality glass, and I can tell a big difference in say VX-2 vs VX-6. And I'm a Leupold fanboy ha. I was definitely considering the 2.5-8x36 VX-3i, but having just put a 3-18x44 VX-6 on my 338 I'd hate to have worse glass on the rifle I'll use 90% of the time I hunt, if that makes any sense whatsoever ha. The VX-6 2-12x42 is only 16.8 oz, while the VX-2 2-7x33 is 9.9 oz and the 2.5-8x36 is 11.4 oz. Thats a lotttt of optics for the ounces.
For instance, your Razor 1.5-8x32 is 13.4 oz - just 3.4 oz lighter than the 2-12x42 VX-6. That is an impressive FOV on that Vortex though... I agree with you on weight but you should still take a look at that Razor if you can. I think the glass and reticle is actually better than that VX6. I know the eye box is. I love the very generous eye box and FOV on 1.5 for a woods gun. It makes it very easy to get behind and get on a moving target fast. I do like the illumination and power range on the VX6. It's a good scope. It's just personal preference,because everything is a trade off in some area. The FOV alone is gonna inspire me to look at that one... And for some reason I just like the idea of the 2.5-8x36, so that is still on the table. That could bring the Savage down under 7lbs, and be pretty cost effective.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: Goatkiller]
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02/13/17 09:55 AM
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I don't know worse glass is relative. If you are talking about a woods gun you just don't really need all that to shoot a deer. Maybe sheep hunting but around here no way. Consider this I got Schmitt and Benders...but you know what I hunted with most of deer season? A 2.5-8 Leupold VX3 on my woods gun and a Minox HD 5 on what I was food plot hunting with late afternoon. And I didn't need anything more expensive. Hail I got a 35 remington with a $150 RedField on it I deer hunt with. Does everything I need it to do.
My backup rifle, a Savage Stevens 270 I paid $170 for new in college, sported a $25 tasco for years and I killed piles of deer with it. It now sports a $100 Bushnell that has also killed piles of deer.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: ChrisAU]
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02/13/17 10:52 AM
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Unfortunately I have a cataract in my right eye that limits my vision to a corrected 25/20 - I know thats still pretty good, but I have really placed an emphasis on high quality glass, and I can tell a big difference in say VX-2 vs VX-6. And I'm a Leupold fanboy ha. I was definitely considering the 2.5-8x36 VX-3i, but having just put a 3-18x44 VX-6 on my 338 I'd hate to have worse glass on the rifle I'll use 90% of the time I hunt, if that makes any sense whatsoever ha. The VX-6 2-12x42 is only 16.8 oz, while the VX-2 2-7x33 is 9.9 oz and the 2.5-8x36 is 11.4 oz. Thats a lotttt of optics for the ounces.
For instance, your Razor 1.5-8x32 is 13.4 oz - just 3.4 oz lighter than the 2-12x42 VX-6. That is an impressive FOV on that Vortex though... I agree with you on weight but you should still take a look at that Razor if you can. I think the glass and reticle is actually better than that VX6. I know the eye box is. I love the very generous eye box and FOV on 1.5 for a woods gun. It makes it very easy to get behind and get on a moving target fast. I do like the illumination and power range on the VX6. It's a good scope. It's just personal preference,because everything is a trade off in some area. The FOV alone is gonna inspire me to look at that one... And for some reason I just like the idea of the 2.5-8x36, so that is still on the table. That could bring the Savage down under 7lbs, and be pretty cost effective. You should also look at the VX2 2-7.I actually like it better for close range. The VXR 2-7 is a nice scope too for a woods gun and gives the advantage of illumination. Lots of good choices.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/13/17 11:35 AM
02/13/17 11:35 AM
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Having owned both and all things considered....... The Vx-3 2.5-8x36 is the finest all around woods/short action rifle scope ever made The VX-6 2-12x42 is the finest all around scope ever made period. Leupolds have better eye boxes and faster target acquisition than any other scope ever made IMO Mostly I would agree but I think you would really like my 1.5-8 Razor HD LH.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/13/17 11:54 AM
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I pretty much told the Vortex guy at the shot show to can the mall ninja act and put a standard reticle in that 1.5-8. He looked at me like I was crazy. They don't get it.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/13/17 12:05 PM
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Does it have a heavier reticle than the standard vortex duplex? Heck I can't see the danged thing.
This is my first Vortex,but I would assume yes. Mine is the G4 BDC and it has a very nice,sort of modified German #4.It is a lot heavier than the pictures would lead you to believe. I might loose the dot right at the last minuet in big woods at long range but I could still bracket any shot on a deer because of the heavy posts. This gives you a pretty good idea of the reticle, but I was very impressed in how the image goes right to the tube without any hint of a baffle ring or image blur. It is also even easier to get behind than a Leupold VX2 2-7 IMHO. http://www.rokslide.com/gear/optics/442-review-vortex-razor-1-5-8x32-riflescope
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/13/17 04:40 PM
02/13/17 04:40 PM
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Have you heard how the Barretts shoot or if they will ever make a .280? I haven't seen a lot on the Barrett yet. I think it will be very nice given the company reputation. That link I posted didn't show any paper targets but it did show head shots on a steel silhouette with the 308 from 475 yards. I think they list some calibers on the site. I only remember short action calibers for now.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/13/17 06:08 PM
02/13/17 06:08 PM
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I shouldn't judge them by this but I was told by a fella that used to work for them that the only accuracy test the army requires for their 50's is that they shoot a 5 shot 3" group at 100 yards. He said they had to be worked over pretty good before they could actually be used effectively in combat. Whether or not that's true I can't confirm though. On another note, I just picked this one up from my ffl. 5lbs 11.5 oz scoped. It's a little newer model than my .308 and has a little more texture to the stock. Keeper for sure if I can get it to shoot like I want it to. I agree that the Montana's are really nice. I'm actually wanting a NULA now that I've seen how my Forbes 24B shoots and handles. I would have to sell some guns though that I would miss to get one right now, otherwise I would have to save my fun money for about a year. I'm sort of waiting to see how the Barrett does and saving my money for that 20B 7mm-08 NULA.
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Re: Savage Lightweight Hunter?
[Re: BrentM]
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02/14/17 03:04 AM
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I shouldn't judge them by this but I was told by a fella that used to work for them that the only accuracy test the army requires for their 50's is that they shoot a 5 shot 3" group at 100 yards. He said they had to be worked over pretty good before they could actually be used effectively in combat. Whether or not that's true I can't confirm though. On another note, I just picked this one up from my ffl. 5lbs 11.5 oz scoped. It's a little newer model than my .308 and has a little more texture to the stock. Keeper for sure if I can get it to shoot like I want it to. Which scope is that? 3.5-10x40?
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