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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: PoohBear] #2003625
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Originally Posted By: PoohBear
Hey guys, I am shooting a 45# Samick Sage, but only pulling 40# because of my short draw length (26.5"), and shooting a 512 grain arrow.

I shot through a chrono last year and got a reading of 142 fps. I can't wait to get good enough to hunt with it! Thanks.


That's my exact setup and draw length. My arrows are 29.25" and 175 gr field point. They are the Beman 600 Centershot, you might want to try them to reduce the overall weight and pickup a little speed. All you need to to is bareshaft tune and cutting 1/8" at a time off the carbons as they stiffen very quickly to being cut down spine wise. If you are shooting a 125 grain or 145 grain head spine might be a problem even on full length shaft, or at least that is what I found.


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2003675
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9 to 10 grains per pound is good for a recurve.
Some longbows I like to go a little heavier.

Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Fun4all] #2003815
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Originally Posted By: PoohBear
Hey guys, I am shooting a 45# Samick Sage, but only pulling 40# because of my short draw length (26.5"), and shooting a 512 grain arrow.

I shot through a chrono last year and got a reading of 142 fps. I can't wait to get good enough to hunt with it! Thanks.


That's my exact setup and draw length. My arrows are 29.25" and 175 gr field point. They are the Beman 600 Centershot, you might want to try them to reduce the overall weight and pickup a little speed. All you need to to is bareshaft tune and cutting 1/8" at a time off the carbons as they stiffen very quickly to being cut down spine wise. If you are shooting a 125 grain or 145 grain head spine might be a problem even on full length shaft, or at least that is what I found.


You won't have any problems if you use the correct spine. You can get spines way lighter than .600 if you use the correct vendor. 3Rivers rarely sells spines under .600 and try to pawn off that spine on any bow ,even those under 45 lbs.

Most bows of 45lbs will use a .600 spine ,which is why you are having to shoot heavier tips. Lancaster Archery is much better at correctly choosing spine. Carbon Express makes an arrow called the Predator II that is an inexpensive carbon in lighter spines all the way to .1000 deflection. You just have to use half out inserts and smaller diameter tips.

This is not usually a problem for finding hunting heads since most people hunt with 45lbs and up bows, so use standard arrows of .600 or greater with standard point inserts.

You should never cut carbons until you know for sure what tip weights you will be shooting and try them first, at full length.

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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2003866
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I want to say I got a little over 200 with a 60lb damon howatt mamba made in the 1960s with the lightest arrows I could shoot from it.

That light arrows for speed experiment didn't last long. I went back to a heavier arrow/broadhead setup and was shooting in the high 170s. My draw length is 28".

I feel like the light arrows were at least a part of why the limb tip delaminated on it a couple of years ago.


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2003948
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Originally Posted By: Strictlybow
Sounds good to me.
Thanks for going to the trouble.


No problem man. Now that you asked, I would like to know. I have never actually competed in one of those, although I have done some traditional shoots for fun. I haven't heard back, but with Christmas money and bonuses this time of year, I'm sure they are busy. I wish they were busy making me a new KBX Chechen wood bow....


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Geno] #2003973
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Originally Posted By: Geno
I want to say I got a little over 200 with a 60lb damon howatt mamba made in the 1960s with the lightest arrows I could shoot from it.

That light arrows for speed experiment didn't last long. I went back to a heavier arrow/broadhead setup and was shooting in the high 170s. My draw length is 28".

I feel like the light arrows were at least a part of why the limb tip delaminated on it a couple of years ago.


Going to light will damage limbs so that is probably what happened. I know plenty of guys could be getting 200+ with a recurve, its just not advisable due to the set up you would have to get the 200+.


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2004128
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I won't do it again, that's for sure. Somehow that bow made it from 196* to 1988 when I bought it for like 20 bucks. I used it as a loner and a back yard toy for three or four years, then I hunted with it some, then I didn't. Over time, it came to be my bow hunting tool even though it was never really first in line. I miss shooting it the most.

I can still draw a bow a few times in a month (45lb similar vintage ben pearson and a new samick I think is 20lbs or maybe 25) so I will continue to shoot but I probably won't ever be able to practice enough to hunt with a real bow again.


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Recurve] #2004150
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Originally Posted By: Recurve
Originally Posted By: Geno
I want to say I got a little over 200 with a 60lb damon howatt mamba made in the 1960s with the lightest arrows I could shoot from it.

That light arrows for speed experiment didn't last long. I went back to a heavier arrow/broadhead setup and was shooting in the high 170s. My draw length is 28".

I feel like the light arrows were at least a part of why the limb tip delaminated on it a couple of years ago.


Going to light will damage limbs so that is probably what happened. I know plenty of guys could be getting 200+ with a recurve, its just not advisable due to the set up you would have to get the 200+.


High end ILF limbs,and not all of those, are the only limbs I know of designed to shoot 4-5 gpp. Even so 9gpp and up is always easier on a bow.

Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: R_H_Clark] #2004204
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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
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Originally Posted By: Geno
I want to say I got a little over 200 with a 60lb damon howatt mamba made in the 1960s with the lightest arrows I could shoot from it.

That light arrows for speed experiment didn't last long. I went back to a heavier arrow/broadhead setup and was shooting in the high 170s. My draw length is 28".

I feel like the light arrows were at least a part of why the limb tip delaminated on it a couple of years ago.


Going to light will damage limbs so that is probably what happened. I know plenty of guys could be getting 200+ with a recurve, its just not advisable due to the set up you would have to get the 200+.


High end ILF limbs,and not all of those, are the only limbs I know of designed to shoot 4-5 gpp. Even so 9gpp and up is always easier on a bow.


That is correct. I've never owned an ILF, but I am sure it would still be better with a heavier arrow.


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Recurve] #2004233
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Originally Posted By: Recurve
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Originally Posted By: Recurve
Originally Posted By: Geno
I want to say I got a little over 200 with a 60lb damon howatt mamba made in the 1960s with the lightest arrows I could shoot from it.

That light arrows for speed experiment didn't last long. I went back to a heavier arrow/broadhead setup and was shooting in the high 170s. My draw length is 28".

I feel like the light arrows were at least a part of why the limb tip delaminated on it a couple of years ago.


Going to light will damage limbs so that is probably what happened. I know plenty of guys could be getting 200+ with a recurve, its just not advisable due to the set up you would have to get the 200+.


High end ILF limbs,and not all of those, are the only limbs I know of designed to shoot 4-5 gpp. Even so 9gpp and up is always easier on a bow.


That is correct. I've never owned an ILF, but I am sure it would still be better with a heavier arrow.


Depends on how you define better. Mine shoots quietly and without any shock at 5gpp. You would get a bit better penetration for hunting with heavier arrows but even at 5gpp it would blow right through ribs.

Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2004246
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Originally Posted By: Strictlybow
Sounds good to me.
Thanks for going to the trouble.


Toby said "I have no idea. That's crazy fast." Lol it shall remain a mystery


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2004468
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Not to change the subject, but I just got an email that a package coming UPS from Black Widow!!! PSAIV - Greenleaf 45#@27" 60", Woohoo!!


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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Not to change the subject, but I just got an email that a package coming UPS from Black Widow!!! PSAIV - Greenleaf 45#@27" 60", Woohoo!!


Cadillac bow! Good huntin bow.

Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Fun4all] #2004499
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Not to change the subject, but I just got an email that a package coming UPS from Black Widow!!! PSAIV - Greenleaf 45#@27" 60", Woohoo!!


Congrats! I hunt with a PLX.

Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2004516
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Maybe next week I will post another chrony picture for the speed demons!


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Re: What kind of speed are you traditional shooters getting? [Re: Strictlybow] #2004650
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Haha post it! My bow is the PMAII greybark. Great shooting bows


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Okay you bunch of speed freaks! Here is the 45# Black Widow PSA recurve with a 9.7 grain/pound arrow. Shooting 3 under with a glove.



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176 will kill any animal you want to kill.

I bought a new Widow myself. Chechen wood and Creamy Etimoe. I wasn't going to and then I had a case of the can't help its.




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58" KBX with asbell grip. 55# @ 28.


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Good looking bow! I thought I would get one of the standard models to get used to it and then move on up to the exotics once I did some hands on!


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