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How accurate is this?
#1986554
01/10/17 07:31 PM
01/10/17 07:31 PM
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Joined: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,614 Lake View, AL
Joe4majors
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14 point
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Lake View, AL
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Saw this posted on FB by a processor I've used in the past. I'm certainly still a rookie, but a lot of what I have read elsewhere doesn't support some of the logic mentioned below.
"Here is a good example on why you should shoot cull bucks. This deer weighed in at 180 pounds and is estimated at 4-5 years old. It was never going to amount to a good buck and had all those years to breed does and create several generations of bad genes. If you are trying to manage your deer herd to grow bigger, better deer you have to remove the trash from the heard. Letting bucks walk that are not 8 points or better does not necessarily create bigger deer. There are a few key signs that the buck is a cull... first look at the deers body... a thick chest and neck, a sagging belly and swooped back are signs of a buck that has reached maturity. Now look for signs of bad genetics in the rack. Little or no brow tines, a poorly branched mane frame on one side, a large fork, spike, or deformed frame on the other, (Look for signs of injuries) Good mane beams with short tines, or a twisted and gnarled frame. Remember the biggest buck is not always the dominate buck in the area. One could have have mature trash bucks like the one in the picture staking claim to the land keeping the bigger bucks pushed out. A mature trash buck is just as smart as a mature 10 point with a 150 inch rack. But the buck that claims the area gets the does! And trash creates more trash!"
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1986558
01/10/17 07:48 PM
01/10/17 07:48 PM
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Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 833 Cantonment,Fl
hyco
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6 point
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Killing that 1 deer will not make any difference. You would have to kill mom and dad too to make sure you got the right bad gene side. Aunts, uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, half brothers, half sisters, sons and daughters. Plus any thing left from all 4 grandparents. ,in other words. You can not change the genetic makeup of a wild deer herd,.
take your kids hunting and you won't be hunting your kids
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
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01/10/17 08:02 PM
01/10/17 08:02 PM
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Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 31,681 Slidell, La
perchjerker
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Anyone that can't grasp why there are NO cull bucks needs to attend a deer seminar with a deer biologist. ONE MORE TIME. to end bad traits you'd have to kill all the does too. You don't know who was his mother. A DOE GIVES HER OFFSPRING HALF HIS GENES. The phase CULL BUCK is used to justify killing a poor buck. Kill it, Stop trying to justify it. CULLINg is non existant on free range deer. The STATE isn't going to allow you an extra buck because you are such a wonderful hunter. http://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/deer-scouting/the-facts-and-truth-about-culling-buckshttp://www.gon.com/hunting/the-real-skinny-on-shooting-cull-bucksIf you really want to learn about deer and deer hunting refer to this site. Forget Facebook,idiots posting crap for idiots to read. Grant Woods is a famous Deer biilogist. http://www.growingdeer.tv/
Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!
If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1986667
01/11/17 04:00 AM
01/11/17 04:00 AM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 25,736 Fayetteville TN Via Selma
jawbone
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Foremost is someone has to have the ability to be able to age them on the hoof. I can do fairly decent at this if the deer is broadside to me and will hold still for a few seconds. They don't often do this.
Remember that genetics are a funny thing. First off there are two parents involved and then there are the dominant and recessive gene traits involved. How many big old men do you know with little children and vice versa? It doesn't always work like we would think it would.
Unless you really know what you are doing, it is best to let him walk if you are looking for a real trophy. If for no other reason, your day is through when you drop a "cull". If he is a trophy to you, and your group rules allow it, drop him if you want. We try to pass on the older deer with lesser racks with the understanding that these are deer we would be pleased if our guests and kids shoot them. Then everyone is happy.
Worrying about this too much kind of makes a person the Hitler of the Deer World trying to create the perfect deer by exterminating the lesser examples. Overdramatic, I know, but y'all get the point.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1986689
01/11/17 04:22 AM
01/11/17 04:22 AM
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Posts: 18,029 North AL
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Old Mossy Horns
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I believe most people who argue for culling bucks are just looking for a justification to kill any buck they see. I've seen this in a couple of clubs. When I was a guest at my brothers club last year, someone brought in a 4 point which was maybe 2 years old and claimed it was a cull. We have people in my own club who attempt to put together a hit list of supposed cull bucks they have on camera. Bullschitt.
The majority of hunters in Alabama cannot accurately age deer on the hoof. Once a buck reaches 4-1/2 years, it can be very difficult to differentiate between 4-1/2 and 6-1/2. Any biologist worth a damn will tell you it is impossible to cull undesirable traits from a free-ranging deer herd in Alabama.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1986703
01/11/17 04:39 AM
01/11/17 04:39 AM
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Posts: 5,241 Behind your shadow
Reloader79
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You can't manage an open range deer population, to many strays run through and breed all the Momma's too. Pretty much impossible.
If I agreed with you, we'd both be wrong.
Bluetick serpentines around green fields and rock spit a lease
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
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01/11/17 04:51 AM
01/11/17 04:51 AM
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Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 733 Alabama
PapaJ
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4 point
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Alabama
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Sounds like some folks just want to watch deer instead of killing deer. That's mostly the way that I am now, but I'm an old fart who killed my fair share when I was younger. This "only shoot a monster" has gotten way out of hand,unless you want to have a buck killed on the property maybe every 5 or 6 years in most places in Alabama. Admittedly, there is a challenge to that, which can be satisfying to some people. Lots of money and angst spent chasing pine goats, IMO. It stops being fun when you teach people to be afraid to pull the trigger because they may face the scorn of others and/or imposed fines. That being said, if you want to let deer walk, that's fine with me, because that is what I do. I do not, however, let them walk under the illusion that next year midwest-sized bucks will appear every time I hunt.
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Re: How accurate is this?
[Re: Joe4majors]
#1986878
01/11/17 06:29 AM
01/11/17 06:29 AM
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Joined: Feb 2013
Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
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ishootatbux
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Anniston, AL
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I have often heard the MOM has "more" to do with it than the father. Have heard deer breeders talk about paying more for a doe than a buck. Just my opinion, but I think the idea of "cull" bucks is one of the worst myths in deer hunting. Even if it has scientific credibility, it has essentially no worth in field practice. It's like peeing in the ocean.
I also happen to like the crazy character on many deer that I see called "culls". One of my better deer was a spike on one side deer. Probably 5-7 yrs old, very heavy mass, just cool as crap!!!
Last edited by ikillbux; 01/11/17 06:32 AM.
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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Re: How accurate is this?
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01/11/17 06:33 AM
01/11/17 06:33 AM
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Posts: 6,095 Anniston, AL
ikillbux
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So injury, food source or sickness will not affect the growth of a rack? There are more things that can cause a bad rack than genetics. If you kill a buck with a bad rack you may be killing the most perfect genetic buck in your herd. Preach!
We were on the edge of Eternia, when the power of Greyskull began to take hold.
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