Which one climbs a bigger tree? I'm looking for new stand that fits larger diameter trees.

So you don't like it cause it stuck to the tree too well? Also you can shorten the straps and move them on the climber so it doesn't hit your ankles and I'm only 6'1".

Bottom line is this....use which ever stand you feel comfortable and confident in. If it's not comfortable to you then get another stand. I personally love my tree walker. I used a API for over 20 years with no problems but wanted something different so I went with the TW.

And wear your harness!

The tree walker will climb a bigger tree but the treewalker will tip a little from side to side when climbing a smaller tree when all the bolts arent able to lock in on the tree

I wouldn't use either. This little Alps chair is comfy. If I have an accident and fall out, I think I can survive the drop.

Cannot understand how you find it difficult to climb with a Summit Goliath. This is the easiest stand I have used to clumb, and I am a big, clumsy oaf. I also have the 180 max model and it is definitely more difficult to climb with this stand. I added the adjustable rifle rest and it has made climbing with the 180 much better. I was about to get rid of these until I added the rest.

I'm not going to put down a Treewalker stand as I have never used one. Maybe one day I will give one a try, but my Summit stands have served me well for years.

Yeah I don't understand either. I've been using summit for over 15 years and I love them. Hell I have 5 of them now.

I use a over sized fanny pack with shoulder straps and lashing straps for extra cloths. I hate strapping that extra weight to any stand. I learned a little trick with the Tree Walker I'll share.

Due to the stand packing together tightly and lighter than most climbers, I tote it on my right shoulder. It's pretty comfortable and allows me to wear my fanny pack and extra cloths. This is an option for you guys that don't like toting the stand on your back. You will be surprised at how easy the stand totes the way I described.

I agree with some of others. I hate climbing a pine with the TW. I have found it hard to get the adjustment angle right and the spikes will bury up. This stand is awesome when it comes to climbing hardwood trees though.

I had a Summit for 15 years and it served me well, was an extremely comfortable stand to sit in, not very hard to climb with. I sold it recently because it was a heavy, awkward SOB for long hikes in. True it is easy to nap in, because by the time I lugged the thing in on a fairly long walk, climbed the tree, I was ready for a nap once I sat down and stopped sweating.

I will opt for a much lighter stand, like the X Stand Sit N' Climb for better portability, also checked out the Treewalkers. I'm willing to be a little less comfortable sitting in the stand if it means getting where I want to hunt without sweating like a hog.

Thank you all for the valued comments! Much appreciated! I'm excited to try it out. Now my only worry is pines. I climb a lot of pines.. haha.. However I'm excited about the portability. This past week I just got sick of the summit and how it hangs on everything. It'll catch my bib material and cause me to stumble all the time. No matter how I carry the stand it become more of a chore. I even decided not to use it Saturday. I just took the bottom part with me and stood/sat on it. Hopefully with a few mods like the summit stirrups will help with the pines. We shall see... Thanks again for the comments and education!

I know you already ordered a TW but just wanted to throw my opinion and experience out there.

My first stand was a Goliath without the SD. Used it for about 10 years. Never had a single issue out of it. My only complaint was the summit "ting" it made when something hit it and backpack straps. Took many deer from that stand and had many naps. I would leave it in the woods and one day it was gone. So I went and bought a summit razor sd. Although I am a large guy I liked the ablity to have a bar to sit on then have an open front (I mostly bow hunt) when I got to the height I wanted to hunt. I disliked this stand for several reasons. It made a lot more noise with the moving parts, the blades on the tree would squeak and being big in a small stand I would always bump something on the metal. I never felt very safe in the stand because I kept bumping the sides and sometimes the top part would fall (making noise). Also with the 300# weight limit always in the back of my mind (I am 270#) it made me a little nervous. I sold the stand to a buddy and bought an XOP from AC870 on here. Used the stand for about 2 seasons. It packed in like a dream, climbed any tree I put it on with ease, set up and take down was longer because it folds flat. I decided this season I go back to the summit Goliath. I wasn't impressed with the comfort of the XOP or Razor and the only other stand I had any experience with was the Goliath. I had considered the TW promag XL. I opted not to try it because I didn't know how I would like the mesh seat or the pins on the cables. So far my new Goliath is better than I remember it being. With the new bungee backpack straps it packs better than my first one. The SD makes it a little quieter, it's still super comfy and stable. I have added a few extra things to mine to make it a little more convenient and comfortable. I know I'll buy a TW one day to try it out, but for now it's the Goliath SD for me.

I don't know what these jokers are doing on their trees with their tree Walker's, but I exclusively hunt off of pine trees and I've never, ever, ever had an issue with the stand climbing pines.

In fact, I'd say it's my preferred stand for climbing pines because of the way the spikes sink into the tree. As long as you can get two spikes into the tree, it's good to climb, but make sure you use stabilizer straps. I am not an oaf, but I weigh close to 200lbs. Wiggling the stand a bit to free it when it really sinks in just has never bothered me and will become almost a zero issue once you get comfortable climbing with it. Granted, I've never used any climbers besides a treewalker, but trouble climbing pines I have not had.

Also, here's a treewalker pro-tip for you. I've never used to seat to climb with the treewalker as the idea of having to high step over the seat at 20 plus feet in a tree is a no go for me, even strapped in. I use a tree strap from a saftey harness from a ladder stand I purchased and loop it around the stand where you would usually slide the seat back to. You can take the strap off when you get up the tree or leave it on, doesn't really get in the way too bad.

Ok I'm lost here.. So you can't sit on the metal bar like my summit? Having to slide that seat back and forth isn't cool. I thought it would climb the same as the summit in this regard. Even the website says : XL Advantage: The removable bar is used for seat climbing and facing towards the tree.

So I'm a bit confused here...

If you purchased the XL model it says you can use the bar for climbing, but I definitely would switch the bar so it sits on top of the frame rather than being screwed from under it. Just doesn't seem like they designed that part very well.

The removeable front bar is NOT for sitting on. That came straight from TW when I asked that question. It is very misleading on their website. When I found this out I decided to just leave the front bar off, I could still sit on the net for climbing right? WRONG! I was told not to climb the stand with the front bar removed unless I was using it as a hand climber. The more I think about this and the fact that they lie about the weight of the stand the more I want to sell it and go back to Lone Wolf.

Yea, I wasn't sure where I had read this, so I didn't reference it, but I knew I had read somewhere the bar was actually NOT for climbing. The way they have it designed makes zero sense with the screws having to screw upward to secure the bar. Thanks for confirming.

Again, to assuage this issue, just use a spare tree strap from a safety harness that comes with every ladder stand in existence to climb with. You can buy a tree strap if needed. And do not remove the bar.

So I'm guessing you climb with the netting seat and then move it back after stepping over it? That makes no sense and seems a bit dangerous. Is this how you climb with all TW except the hand climber.. geez kinda misleading to say the least. I'm alittle confused and concerned about the purchase now with all this enlightening information.

Yup. They want you to use the seat to climb and step over it if you want to face away from the tree. I have never attempted it and figured out a solution for it before I ever went up a tree. I did some reading on the stand before hand, though, and there were multiple discussions threads on here that brought that point up.

I did read on archery talk once that a guy cut about a quarter of the net seat and used it as his permanent climbing portion, and kept the majority of the seat pushed out of the way.