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3 buck rule #1946930
12/08/16 05:29 PM
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Has anyone ever wondered why we can't just shoot all 3 bucks in one day? Just curious to know why this law is in place. Seems to me if we're only allowed 3 a year it shouldn't matter if we take them in the same day or not


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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1946931
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Duh, corn sales would plummet

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1946949
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Because they don't REALLY want EVERYONE shooting 3. That would mess up the goal numbers. Any time a limit is set on anything, they have a formula to estimate how many hunters will kill 0, how many will limit out per day, how many will limit out per season, how many will hunt only 1-3 days, how many will hunt A LOT of days, etc, etc. If you let everyone kill all 3 in one day, then more bucks would be killed all season. Those guys that only hunt 1 day per year (maybe a dog drive or a paid hunt) might kill 3 bucks whereas under the current system they would only kill 1 for the season. etc, etc. so, the math looks like it wouldn't matter (and to some hunters it wouldn't), but statewide it would change the numbers. So, they might would have to drop it to 2 instead of 3 or limit how many days you could kill bucks.


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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: modoc_333] #1946954
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Originally Posted By: modoc_333
Because they don't REALLY want EVERYONE shooting 3. That would mess up the goal numbers. Any time a limit is set on anything, they have a formula to estimate how many hunters will kill 0, how many will limit out per day, how many will limit out per season, how many will hunt only 1-3 days, how many will hunt A LOT of days, etc, etc. If you let everyone kill all 3 in one day, then more bucks would be killed all season. Those guys that only hunt 1 day per year (maybe a dog drive or a paid hunt) might kill 3 bucks whereas under the current system they would only kill 1 for the season. etc, etc. so, the math looks like it wouldn't matter (and to some hunters it wouldn't), but statewide it would change the numbers. So, they might would have to drop it to 2 instead of 3 or limit how many days you could kill bucks.


This guy's got it.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1946958
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I can honestly say that I know of a handful of people that have killed their three bucks since they put that in place. Wall hanger bucks that is. It was put in place with the mindset that people were shooting giblet heads left and right. It was for hopes that some bucks would get some age on them.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947011
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All that 3 buck rule done was creat a way for more does to get slaughtered. Give these does days a few more years and number will be in the dumps. Late 99s and early 2000s. We had piles of deer here. Ran dogs and stalked hunted. Every year some big mature bucks got killed. And a lot is small bucks also. But we always had a string deer herd. Now we are lucky to see 1-2 deer every 5-6 sits. In my area anyway.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Shriverswamp] #1947020
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Originally Posted By: Shriverswamp
All that 3 buck rule done was creat a way for more does to get slaughtered. Give these does days a few more years and number will be in the dumps. Late 99s and early 2000s. We had piles of deer here. Ran dogs and stalked hunted. Every year some big mature bucks got killed. And a lot is small bucks also. But we always had a string deer herd. Now we are lucky to see 1-2 deer every 5-6 sits. In my area anyway.

I'm trying to get bigT elected as the deer czar. We have slaughtered the does since the early 2000's. It has taken its toll. If you need meat, shoot a buck!

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947084
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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947116
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The state is not interested in growing big deer form us residents. They want to sell more out of state license and realize the revenue that out of state hunters bring.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: eclipse829] #1947122
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Originally Posted By: eclipse829
The state is not interested in growing big deer form us residents. They want to sell more out of state license and realize the revenue that out of state hunters bring.


This may have changed , they're awfully interested in catering to the high fence crowd now.



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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: eclipse829] #1947175
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Originally Posted By: eclipse829
The state is not interested in growing big deer form us residents. They want to sell more out of state license and realize the revenue that out of state hunters bring.


The people pushing the decisions are only concerned with keeping their jobs ($, politics, bribes, kickbacks, etc). They certainly are NOT catering to out of state hunters in any way. If they are, please point it out, because I have missed it.

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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947190
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I've never seen DCNR catering to out of state hunters.


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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947210
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I didn't say catering to out of state hunters. But everything gets back to $'s. If Bama gets a rep as a Big deer state, and you can shoot 3, they will come. Someone mentioned High Fence operations, I would guess there's a higher percentage of Out of State folks coming in and buying license to hunt those.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947262
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I don't know who they cater to or who they don't. But it has become a business and business always revolves around $$$. A resident hunters license is $17 (not real sure of the price). So, if a resident buys a license the Dept. gets $68. A non-resident pays $300 (still not sure). So, for a non-resident to come hunt here the Dept. gets $1200. $68 vs. $1200 from a business standpoint?? THIS SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ALLOWED TO BECOME A BUSINESS!!

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: modoc_333] #1947283
12/09/16 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted By: modoc_333
Because they don't REALLY want EVERYONE shooting 3. That would mess up the goal numbers. Any time a limit is set on anything, they have a formula to estimate how many hunters will kill 0, how many will limit out per day, how many will limit out per season, how many will hunt only 1-3 days, how many will hunt A LOT of days, etc, etc. If you let everyone kill all 3 in one day, then more bucks would be killed all season. Those guys that only hunt 1 day per year (maybe a dog drive or a paid hunt) might kill 3 bucks whereas under the current system they would only kill 1 for the season. etc, etc. so, the math looks like it wouldn't matter (and to some hunters it wouldn't), but statewide it would change the numbers. So, they might would have to drop it to 2 instead of 3 or limit how many days you could kill bucks.


Excellent post. You should be on the CAB. One of the ways they justified allowing a February season in North AL was that it was just another way to allow hunters to get their limit. I forget which CAB member said it, but it seemed his logic was that as long as each hunter killed only 3, then all would be great.

Let's see, they claim we have 1.5 million deer and 500,000 hunters, though both are guesses. So if each hunter killed 3 bucks, well, we don't have that many bucks.

So allowing multiple bucks to be killed in one day will increase the buck harvest for sure, just as the February hunting will do. But we were told we had to have the buck limit because it wasn't biologically sound to kill so many bucks. Something doesn't add up.

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Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947288
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As a Florida hunter, my non-res license costs $301.85, I think. That's NOTHING compared to the incidental expenses I have running my Alabama camps. I pay a wad of sales tax in addition to my leases, insurance, groceries, liquor, power, water, gas, you get the picture. And I don't split expenses with anybody, because I'm the dictator of my leases. So yes, you do have a valid point as it's not really about the license fees at all. And I don't mind so much, because right now it's fun to go to camp.

Then I've got the Florida camp expenses which pale in comparison because it's just a stone's throw from where I live.



Re: 3 buck rule [Re: modoc_333] #1947485
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Originally Posted By: modoc_333
Any time a limit is set on anything, they have a formula to estimate how many hunters will kill 0, how many will limit out per day, how many will limit out per season, how many will hunt only 1-3 days, how many will hunt A LOT of days, etc, etc.


I know one of the hunters who will kill 0 bucks ....

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: Deerslyer86] #1947552
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The same goobers that say you can't have but 3 shotgun shells in your shotgun when dove/duck hunting. If there is a bag limit then it shouldn't matter if you have 3 shits or 8


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Originally Posted By: 300gr
The same goobers that say you can't have but 3 shotgun shells in your shotgun when dove/duck hunting. If there is a bag limit then it shouldn't matter if you have 3 shits or 8

Never understood that one either.

Re: 3 buck rule [Re: 300gr] #1947567
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
The same goobers that say you can't have but 3 shotgun shells in your shotgun when dove/duck hunting. If there is a bag limit then it shouldn't matter if you have 3 shits or 8

exactly, another stupid rule


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