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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: CNC] #1897708
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That's kind of what I was thinking. Shot right over a big nannies back at 30 yards about an hour ago. No track tonight. At least it wasn't a buck.


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Originally Posted By: mandeerpig
That's kind of what I was thinking. Shot right over a big nannies back at 30 yards about an hour ago. No track tonight. At least it wasn't a buck.


I hear you. I did the same thing the other day on a little yearling doe. I hit a small limb that I didn't see and it was just enough to send my arrow high and it skimmed right across the top of its back. I'm gonna try 'em again on this cold front later in the week. I'm hoping to stick a doe for Shelby's first run.


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A little more rambling intro whilst times are slow…….

I was on the fence in the off season about whether or not to go ahead and get a second dog this year. I’m really happy that I did instead of waiting. I think Otis likes having a sister around to play with and give him companionship. It’s also been a great help in getting him regular exercise and maintaining his weight. After switching food blends to a leaner mix and bringing Shelby into the fold…..Otis has went from 52-53 lbs down to 47-48 lbs. That’s pretty well spot on for what a male Kopov should be and a much better tracking weight for him. Kopovs naturally have a thick, muscular build to them though, with deep chests. Another dog man told me that dogs were bred to have deep chests like that for the purpose of lung capacity.

I’m not sure what Shelby’s weight is eventually gonna be. She’s the funniest built lab I’ve ever seen. Her dad was around 67 lbs and her mom around 54 lbs….both with slender builds. Shelby was 35 lbs when she was weighed at the vet 3 weeks ago. I’m hoping she tops out in the low to mid 50’s. She looks like she’s part greyhound to me. It’s a bit odd looking really……but I like it!!





Our daily morning exercise routine………..We run and we fight…..



……..run and fight……run and fight………Viscous dogs!! rolleyes grin .......C'mon cold front!!!!!! thumbup



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Viscous dogs? They're thick? Haha. Shelby is a weird built lab for sure. I have a chocolate whose dad was a British and about 95lbs of pure muscle, and her mom was American and about 55lbs. My dog got the build of her dad and is about 65lbs of thickness, but has much shorter legs than yours.

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Looks like a Lacy in the first pic.

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Originally Posted By: SouthBamaSlayer
Viscous dogs? They're thick? Haha. Shelby is a weird built lab for sure. I have a chocolate whose dad was a British and about 95lbs of pure muscle, and her mom was American and about 55lbs. My dog got the build of her dad and is about 65lbs of thickness, but has much shorter legs than yours.


Yeah, I was for sure being sarcastic when I said viscious. They’re both really friendly dogs. Some tracking breeds and individual dogs can be possessive of their finds or snappy toward people. I have twin boys that are 7 years old, so one of the reasons I chose the breeds I did was because they were “kid friendly” or “make good pets”. The hunters and kids at the camps we go to are always wanting to pet the dogs and play with them too so that makes it a plus. When I first started I was a little worried about someone else getting bit but I think either one my dogs are more likely to lick you to death……. grin

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Re: The Tales of Otis and Shelby Lou [Re: trackncur] #1898744
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Originally Posted By: trackncur
Looks like a Lacy in the first pic.


She does favor a Lacy a lot doesn't she.....Both parents were slender built but she really takes after her dad. Here's his picture...... you can see he has the same characteristics. If you look back at one of my first pics where Shelby is in the sitting position....it's almost identical to this pic of her daddy. It's the first dog on top......

http://www.magnumrunkennels.com/new-page/

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She looks just like her daddy.


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For any of you guys who may be interested in a dog in the future……here is where I got Shelby and some pics of her mama. So far I’m really pleased with the dog I got. I don’t think it would be one you would want to get just for a pet to keep in the backyard….. BUT…. if you’re looking for a hunting dog then I this may be what you’re looking for….lots of drive and very nosy.

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1738429&page=1


For anyone who may be interested in a Kopov…….here is a link to the kennel where I got Otis. I’m very pleased with Otis and would recommend a Kopov as a good option to consider for a tracking dog. I keep up with other Kopov owners across the country too and they seem to be following suit. The only knock I have on him is that his black coat causes me to have to tailor my tracking early in the season to avoid midday bow season heat. Other than that, he’s a super all around dog and worth the road trip to Illinois to get. The only reason I didn’t go with a Kopov for my second dog came down to the fact that as a “trainer” I wanted to have the experience of raising a different dog. It’s bias to say I really like this dog or that dog if you don’t have something different to compare it to. So it really just boiled down to my personal experience moving forward. Anyways, here’s the link………I think me and Otis are in there somewhere in the pics with his first ever find.

http://www.bloodtrackandrecoverykennel.com/


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He's about the perfect size for tracking and possibly Bay up if need be.im definitely going to get another dog to train and like you I believe I'm going to get a different breed just for my training experience. I think I'm going to wait a year or so to stager their age . What is the life expectancy for a kopov? With Remington being a jack russell I figure he will track about 10 years.


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Originally Posted By: mandeerpig
He's about the perfect size for tracking and possibly Bay up if need be.im definitely going to get another dog to train and like you I believe I'm going to get a different breed just for my training experience. I think I'm going to wait a year or so to stager their age . What is the life expectancy for a kopov? With Remington being a jack russell I figure he will track about 10 years.


Life expectancy for a Kopov is 13-15 years. There’s a lot of opinions on tracking dogs but a lot of folks like dogs that are in the 30-50 lb range. It’s enough dog to move through the woods, across creeks, etc…..but not so much that you have a beast of an animal to load up in the truck or try to keep up with in the woods. People who track “on lead” don’t like big dogs because they tend to drag you through the woods behind them. I like the Kopovs size. Lacys...curs...catahoulas....Bavarians...are some other breeds in that range.

As far as “baying” goes…..I’ve dealt with a few already but I play it really conservatively and will likely continue to do so. There’s so many unknowns when you go into property you’ve never been on before. Giving the dog free reign to run and try to bay one up just opens up a whole new can of worms from a danger perspective. If anything ever goes wrong while tracking.....the stories usually involve trying to bay a live deer.

I look at it like this…..the deer is either gonna be dead, a little bit alive, or a lot alive. If he’s dead or barely alive then we’ll deal with him. If he’s the last option though, then I’m likely gonna just mark the spot on my GPS and come back to it the next morning. If it’s still good and alive the next morning…. then you should’ve hit it better. grin I’ve made up my mind that I’m not running them like a big rabbit chase and exposing my dog to the higher risk of “chit happening”. This is a call that every tracker has to make on what they are comfortable with. Folks with the little weenie dogs pretty well concede that they aren’t baying anything and that’s understandable. On many of the places you go you just don’t have room to let ‘em run anyways. There’s always a road or a railroad track or a property line with unknown hunters on the other side, etc…..or something. It may mean that we don’t recover every leg hit, or what have you, but I’m ok with that. I’ll eventually find me a little happy medium somewhere in the middle that I’m comfortable with.

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Keep checking back to see of any updates or stories. Has it been just that quiet this week?

Did you keep a call log of last year? Curious to see if you're up, down or about average from last year.

I'm ready to hear some stories!


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Ya'll are just overthinking it now

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Originally Posted By: 3FFarms
Keep checking back to see of any updates or stories. Has it been just that quiet this week?

Did you keep a call log of last year? Curious to see if you're up, down or about average from last year.

I'm ready to hear some stories!


I’m ready for a story too 3FF. It’s dead as a graveyard right now though. I’m just rambling on and talking dogs with folks to pass the time. There hasn’t even been a single story or hunter call for a track on the Blood Tracker Facebook page this week I don't believe. I don’t think anyone is hunting much and movement is likely really slow for those that are out there. It should switch with the weather in the next few days hopefully.

Bow season is a little slow anyways as compared to later on. I’m still new, relatively speaking, so I can’t really compare last year to this year. I’m getting more calls this bow season just because more folks know about me now even though the hunting is likely a lot slower than last year. I only went on a handful of tracks all of bow season last year. There were days during January though when I had 5-10 people call me in one day. It’ll come in waves as the weather and the rut line up with a bunch of you guys being in the woods. I don’t keep up with a log or anything. I just go tracking when somebody calls. grin

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Maybe trackncur will share a story with us. I hear he just found a GA buck pushing 200 inches……. whistle


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Ready for a long story? You'll hear all sorts of crap about a deer that big but this was a free range wild, Worth Co., Ga. deer, killed and recovered 100% legally, on Wed. Here's what happened. I have tracked for this hunter and his buddy several times before and last year in archery season Annie found a big bowkill for him. I was in N. Fla. tracking earlier this year and ran into him in a store. Well, last Wed. he called early afternoon and told me he had shot a monster and wanted no one but Annie to track it. I had to tell him about Annie being killed by the gator about 3 weeks ago. But I told him I had a lot of confidence in my new Lab, Reba, as she has found 8 this year already. I also told him I would get my friend Taylor Farrow to show up with his Drahthaar, Aggie. Aggie and Reba work well together and they will both catch. We showed up in an hour within one minute of each other, good timing. Before the hunter called me, his buddy had gone up the creek to shoot the deer if the hunter jumped it. Sure enough he had a quick shot at it's rear end. Starting here instead of the original hit site, we found a tiny piece of skin with hair attached and 3_4 drops of blood along the trail. The deer had been shot 3 times with 00 buck & once with a 308. After trailing with both dogs on lead, things just didn't look good or add up, blood petered out & no dead or bedded deer. Taylor and the hunters buddy went back to the original hit site while the hunter and I kept tracking the deer. Taylor's Drahthaar, Aggie finally found the buck not far from where it had been shot. We had been tracking a different wounded buck the whole time and I am pretty sure it was only lightly grazed.

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I love the dog forum having so much activity. Keep the stories coming guys. Thanks

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Originally Posted By: Fatherof2
I love the dog forum having so much activity. Keep the stories coming guys. Thanks


Tell one of those guys in the Bow forum to gut shoot a good one so me and Otis can write a story. grin In all seriousness, it would be cool if we could find one for a fellow aldeer member.


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Originally Posted By: trackncur
Ready for a long story? You'll hear all sorts of crap about a deer that big but this was a free range wild, Worth Co., Ga. deer, killed and recovered 100% legally, on Wed. Here's what happened. I have tracked for this hunter and his buddy several times before and last year in archery season Annie found a big bowkill for him. I was in N. Fla. tracking earlier this year and ran into him in a store. Well, last Wed. he called early afternoon and told me he had shot a monster and wanted no one but Annie to track it. I had to tell him about Annie being killed by the gator about 3 weeks ago. But I told him I had a lot of confidence in my new Lab, Reba, as she has found 8 this year already. I also told him I would get my friend Taylor Farrow to show up with his Drahthaar, Aggie. Aggie and Reba work well together and they will both catch. We showed up in an hour within one minute of each other, good timing. Before the hunter called me, his buddy had gone up the creek to shoot the deer if the hunter jumped it. Sure enough he had a quick shot at it's rear end. Starting here instead of the original hit site, we found a tiny piece of skin with hair attached and 3_4 drops of blood along the trail. The deer had been shot 3 times with 00 buck & once with a 308. After trailing with both dogs on lead, things just didn't look good or add up, blood petered out & no dead or bedded deer. Taylor and the hunters buddy went back to the original hit site while the hunter and I kept tracking the deer. Taylor's Drahthaar, Aggie finally found the buck not far from where it had been shot. We had been tracking a different wounded buck the whole time and I am pretty sure it was only lightly grazed.


Dang right! thumbup ......I’d be calling the dog man too if I’d just shot a buck like that. I’m finding that the folks that have seen a dog work are quicker to back out and call us. A human tracker doesn’t hold a candle to a dog and folks who are hunting big deer don’t want to mess around if they hit one.

Photobucket is down or I’d post up the pic with you and Taylor on here with the dogs. This link is best I can do for now to show the deer.

http://www.gon.com/news/195-inch-worth-county-buck-is-real-deal

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I'm wondering what all kind of gear do you seasoned trackers carry on a track. I have a back pack that I carry my dog in with to the start of the trail. I put an extra lead,GPS,extra flash light,first aid kit,pistol,and do extra knife.


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Originally Posted By: mandeerpig
I'm wondering what all kind of gear do you seasoned trackers carry on a track. I have a back pack that I carry my dog in with to the start of the trail. I put an extra lead,GPS,extra flash light,first aid kit,pistol,and do extra knife.


I wear one of these…….

http://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/Products.asp?mi=11041&itemnum=94666&redir=Y

I hook the lanyard of my GPS unit to one of the eyelets and then put the unit in the bottom pocket. My cell phone fits perfect in one of the top pockets. The other top pocket has a small baggie full of minor first aid items like band-aids. I also have a pencil sized flashlight and a whistle in that pocket that’s tied to the other eyelet. I use the whistle when I tone Otis back to me sometimes to help him locate me. It also works as a back-up to call him back if my Garmin were to ever malfunction. I suppose you could also use it to help people locate you if you ever needed to in case of emergency. The bottom pockets I use to carry my gloves and GPS in one side when I don’t have it in my hand……water and an itty bitty bowl in the other bottom pocket to give Otis a drink with from time to time if the track takes awhile. The vest has inside pockets as well. I carry a leash in there so I can leash him if I need to. I also carry a roll of orange flagging in the inside pocket that I usually give to the hunter. His job is to watch for blood and to mark checkpoints with flagging.

Be prepared to deal with thick and briary. Wear some briar britches and for sure get some leather gloves. I like the soft deer skin ones because I still have plenty of dexterity to work my GPS. I attached a stylus onto my lanyard so I don’t have to worry about trying to push the touch screen with a fat glove finger. I also wear a long sleeve “outfitter” shirt that’s briarproof. Go ahead and wear plenty of orange so folks can see you. I wear an orange hat along with the forestry vest and the orange that’s on my shirt sleeves. It doesn’t hurt to keep some cheap orange vests in your truck or dog box too for the hunters. I’ve been surprised at how lax many folks are with wearing hunter orange. I’d prefer the hunter who was going with me on the track to have some on and be easily visible. Chit can happen FAST when you run up on a live wounded deer and I want to be able to visually pick up on the hunter very easily if it does.




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