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Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school #188099
09/23/11 02:16 PM
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Should people in this country illegally or without proper visas be allowed to attend public school (elementary, mdl, high) or public universities or colleges?

What say ye?


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188103
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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188111
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No, they should not. MY daughter, wouldn't be able to go to school without the proper identification and neither should anybody else.

They shouldn't get medical treatment, bank accounts, housing, car loans, jobs, voting privileges or any of that stuff either. Of course, I am a cold hearted SOB and I could care less if an illegal starved to death and rotted on the side of the street.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188113
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No, not even if they paid their way through college.

If you're not here legally, then you should not be allowed to use ANY of our infrastructure, whether it's roads (tags and license), financial (bank accounts, loans, etc), or education (schools and universities). When you find someone who is here illegal, response by authorities should be swift and calculated. Apprehend the suspect, run their information through NCIS, and deport if no outstanding warrants.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188119
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NO!


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The left lane is for the the purpose of moving the flow of traffic forward regardless of the speed limit. If your impeding the flow of traffic get your ass in the right lane. It's really that simple...

Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: bamachem] #188124
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Originally Posted By: bamachem
No, not even if they paid their way through college.

If you're not here legally, then you should not be allowed to use ANY of our infrastructure, whether it's roads (tags and license), financial (bank accounts, loans, etc), or education (schools and universities). When you find someone who is here illegal, response by authorities should be swift and calculated. Apprehend the suspect, run their information through NCIS, and deport if no outstanding warrants.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188132
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Yes, because it is quite evident that the government is not going to do its job, and they are here to stay. If they are gonna be here anyway, I would rather them not all be illiterate.

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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: BirminghamBuck] #188136
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Originally Posted By: BirminghamBuck
Yes, because it is quite evident that the government is not going to do its job, and they are here to stay. If they are gonna be here anyway, I would rather them not all be illiterate.


So the states and federal government should be the ones to teach them?

What about the parent's role in teaching their own children or providing for their education? Would a private school or home education be a better non-taxpayer choice?


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188141
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the only thing you deserve if you get caught here illegally is worked for a month on a road crew or some other hard labor jail time & then deported after DNA is taken. repeat offenders get public hanging.


Go with the flow and you will end up down the drain!
Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: biglmbass] #188143
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Originally Posted By: biglmbass
NO!


Not just no, but HELL NO!

Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188144
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no because someone that is here illegally should be scared as heck to show themselves in public.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188146
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Originally Posted By: straycat
Originally Posted By: BirminghamBuck
Yes, because it is quite evident that the government is not going to do its job, and they are here to stay. If they are gonna be here anyway, I would rather them not all be illiterate.


So the states and federal government should be the ones to teach them?

What about the parent's role in teaching their own children or providing for their education? Would a private school or home education be a better non-taxpayer choice?


I Utopia, yes it would be. Unfortunately I live in the real world. A real world where I know liberals want the keep the illegals, and where I saw last night not one of the candidates suggest that they shouldn't get an education if here illegal.

My preference would be that the feds get out of education and leave it up to the states to raise revenue to fund education. In the meantime, the states that don't want them should pass strict laws that would make it less enticing for illegals to live within the bounds of said state. If a state wants to be a magnet, let them pay for it on their own dime.

Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188152
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I'm in agreement with you on the states having the role of education. If a state wants to educate them with the approval of their citizens through elections...so be it. But it a state expressly doesn't...then illegals should not be allowed to be schooled through public tax dollars in that state.

I'd love to see the federal department of education ended, dismantled and shut down 100%.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188183
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thats not going to happen Straycat unless you bust up the NEA....which may happen if your new candidate gets into office.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188187
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Originally Posted By: straycat
I'm in agreement with you on the states having the role of education. If a state wants to educate them with the approval of their citizens through elections...so be it. But it a state expressly doesn't...then illegals should not be allowed to be schooled through public tax dollars in that state.

I'd love to see the federal department of education ended, dismantled and shut down 100%.



The DOE's job is to identify the LOWEST common denominator and make sure everyone achieves that MINIMUM standard! The last public school my youngest daughter was in during orientation actually said that their job was to make sure that the children learned XYZ because that is what the State minimum was for the children to make it to the next grade. My child is no longer in public school for that very reason!

I agree the DOE should be closed down with school funding and level of competence determined at the local level.

Illegal alien children should not get a free pass on any taxpayers money period, if they want their children to be educated pay their way through private school.

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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188441
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It depends. If they are in the process of being "legalized", Yes, because most consider them illegals until they are sworn in. Otherwise, No.
How in the hell can they be accepted by a public school if they do not have the "documents" that are required, such as birth certificates, vaccination data and etc. In that case the school officials that allow them should be fired.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188455
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Hell NO! Because they are taking away valuable school resources that should be used for OUR children. You should see the documentation that my son has to have to be registered. I personally think the school systems discriminate against our LEGAL children when they allow these children into the school system without ALL the documentation that MY son has to have. Some people say that..."It's not the childrens fault, and the children shouldn't suffer". And I agree with that, to a point. But if I break the law, and have to go to jail... my children would suffer. Should I get a pass on breaking the law because I have children? They are breaking the law, so they need to get their ass out of OUR country. If they want to come here LEGALLY, I have no problem with that.

Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: JSanford1974] #188459
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No child born in a different country and here illegally should be admitted to a public school. And as long as the federal government is funding any part of public education (free meals and special education are federally funded) then all public schools should be required by law to report undocumented children and their parents to the INS.

Further more, any private schools who don't get federal funding should be prohibited by law from admitting undocumented students under penalty of closure and criminal prosecution.

And while were at it fuuk these companies and individuals who employ illegals. Shut them down and seize all assets.

. . . and fuuk Jorge Lopez too.

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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188465
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Tough question: I want to say no, but I would not allow them to stay here if I were in charge.

It doesn't look like any of our leader have the balls to do what they need to do. I would rather in 10 yrs have them graduating high school, than stealing my air conditioner.


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Re: Based on last night's debate: Illegals going to school [Re: straycat] #188468
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I don't 100% agree with it, but I certainly see the argument for what Perry did in Texas. If they live in Tx because their parents brought them here, then the federal government has basically MANDATED that we provide services to them. The Fed is NOT going to make them go back home. So I can certainly understand why Texans would say, "hey, if they are going through the process of becoming a citizen legally, then why not grant them in state tuition so that they will at least be EDUCATED citizens rather than social services freeloaders for their whole life. We're stuck with them either way, so which one would we rather be stuck with."

Personally, I've been disappointed in the way the Perry campaign has defended this. I think it could have been handled much better than it has.


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