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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865459
10/04/16 12:35 PM
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oh I see you seek to destroy the Republican party. You are too foolish to see the good ol'boys there are scared of trump. They sound a lot like you. Do you think destroying America will help Libertarians ? waste your vote along with the other handful of idots voting for that looser.


Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865467
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I'm not seeking to destroy anything, the Republicans are doing it to themselves. The only thing they are scared of is people realizing that the (R) and (D) are playing the same side of the field, and it's the country that ends up the loser.

Also, if it's just a "handful" of us idiots, why should you worry? Isn't your fraud of a candidate going to win by a YUGE amount anyway?


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865496
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I'm not voting for Gary Johnson, even though I agree with a lot of what he says. I like some of the things Trump says but Hillary is a nightmare.
She is worse than Obummer.

Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865512
10/04/16 01:22 PM
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Hillary wins we all lose. Remember the winner of this race will likely select 3 justices of the supreme court. If Trump wins he will at least likely select conservative justices.

Last edited by 300gr; 10/04/16 01:23 PM.

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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865515
10/04/16 01:23 PM
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*comment deleted* ...nevermind, it's not worth the effort.


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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865521
10/04/16 01:32 PM
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She called for a drone strike ,,,,I knew it,,, that's scary to think about ,,,, why in the world someone would vote for Hillary is beyond me,,,, that's what the truth ,,free thinking and freedom of speech means to her... she must destroy it..

If she gets in behind that desk in the oval office we're in danger of losing this nation or at the very least letting her and the minions of communistic/socialistic behaviors change it beyond reproach,,,

it doesn't matter which third party candidate a person votes for or how righteous that candidates principles ,,,morals ,,, values ,,, beliefs and so forth fall in line with conservative or liberal lines of thinking ,,,

This election is about one of two realities ,,, if you want this nation to go the way of the dinosaur and accept a United Nations plan for a global take over ,,, a plan where we have no borders ,,, a plan that accepts a peoples who's culture or religion calls for the death of America and death to Christians ,,,

a plan that calls for the abolishment of your local police force ,,, plans that dismantle our nations armed forces ,,,plans that devalue our dollar ,,, plans that destroy our school systems ,,,,plans to silence Christian values ,,, plans to destroy what marriage means between a man and woman ,, our true identity our very being ,,,

plans that kill industry and jobs,, plans that give illegal immigrants status above those of us born and raised natural citizens ,,, plans to take your children away from you in the classroom and in home life... I could go on

The other reality,,, is where Trump and those of us that support him make and carry out plans that save our beloved nation from a future of uncertainty ,,,anarchy,,, a dark age ,,, plans that put a big dent in the number of lawless savages running the streets ,,,,

Plans that bring jobs back to the people ,,,, basically Trump and many of us want the opposite of things that Hillary and her minions want to do,,, we support a free world ,,, Hillary and the minions don't ,,,,

Technically voting for a third party candidate isn't a vote for Hillary or Trump ,,,,but realistically it very well and most likely could be ,,, and anyone who withdraws from voting in this election or any election is killing their own political voice ,,,, you're saying you surrender your political rights ,,,you're saying you accept what ever fate your possible future dictator decides for you... believe me they are watching those registered voters that don't vote...


Therefore, you must decide,,, enslavement or freedom ,,, the choice is that simple.

Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865538
10/04/16 01:49 PM
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I'm going to vote for a 4th party because what I've seen of the first 3 is just a Confederacy of Dumbasses.


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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Dustin] #1865539
10/04/16 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dustin
I'm going to vote for a 4th party because what I've seen of the first 3 is just a Confederacy of Dumbasses.


Winner


"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles"
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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Dustin] #1865548
10/04/16 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By: Dustin
I'm going to vote for a 4th party because what I've seen of the first 3 is just a Confederacy of Dumbasses.


A vote for a 4th party is a vote for Domino's pizza. Now you're making us all fat.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson
Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1865556
10/04/16 02:15 PM
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I try to read and understand all the comments about why Trump is such a bad choice, but am still puzzled. Why such hate? Who would be the better choice? Did that person run in the primary on either side? What would it take to make support for a candidate possible?


Let us labor, then, to think clearly; that is the principle of morality. B. Pascal
Re: Wikileaks [Re: 300gr] #1866134
10/05/16 03:22 AM
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Originally Posted By: 300gr
Hillary wins we all lose. Remember the winner of this race will likely select 3 justices of the supreme court. If Trump wins he will at least likely select conservative justices.


While that's true, I think the SC justice nominations have been overstated with this election. Before I state my reasons, yes, Hillary's SC picks would be bad. My reasoning is that I believe we have already crossed the point of no return with respect to judges. Look, they have been moving left for a long time...even "constitutional" minded judges. Scalia himself said "The whole time I have been on my court, it has been a liberal court." See Roe v Wade, Planned Parenthood v Casey, Obergefell v. Hodges, etc.

We've been warned since the 1960s that if we don't vote for the lesser of 2 evils that bad liberal judges will screw us up forever when there has already been enough 14th amendment jurisprudence to destroy conservatives even if Hillary is elected. We will NEVER have enough of them to roll back existing precedent. That doesn't even consider the number of cases that stop in lower courts and never see time in the SC. Those that do make it to the SC are usually influenced by the decisions made by the lower courts Obama has already stacked in his favor. Democrats have an 11-1 majority on the ever-important D.C. district court and a 7-4 majority on the D.C. circuit and those are 2 of the most important courts we have. Think about this: Obama has remade 40% of the district bench and 30% of the appellate.

Even if Trump is elected and places 4 of the most conservative constitutional judges in the SC, we won't be that much better off for the reasons I stated above. In fact, the only way to protect the constitution from the left has nothing to do with a presidency and everything to do with congress limiting the SC's power through the constitution. See "article III section II."

I'm not voting for Hillary, but I have struggled with the decision to vote for Trump. However, count me among the few who aren't shaking over Hillary's SC nominations. The imbalance is too great at this point and cannot be cured by 4 years of Trump nor could it go the other way with 4 years of Clinton.


I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
Re: Wikileaks [Re: skunkdagain] #1866136
10/05/16 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted By: skunkdagain
I try to read and understand all the comments about why Trump is such a bad choice, but am still puzzled. Why such hate? Who would be the better choice? Did that person run in the primary on either side? What would it take to make support for a candidate possible?



He's a liberal and has unlikely changed at this point in his life. Don't get me wrong, I'm probably going to vote for him simply because I can't vote for Clinton...but I don't like him. There were a few better choices in the primary. Remember, Trump only received 37% of the popular vote in the primary. 63% voted against him.


I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1866155
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Some of the worse judges were appointed by Republicans. But, its a 100% chance Hillary will appoint activist judges.

Re: Wikileaks [Re: TGbow] #1866231
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Originally Posted By: TGbow
Some of the worse judges were appointed by Republicans. But, its a 100% chance Hillary will appoint activist judges.


It is, but as stated above, even if we were able to load the lower courts and SC with 200+ judges (an impossibility), there is still a major imbalance in the courts. It isn't wrong to say it is a "rigged system" and it is even more so in the federal courts. Consider how the lower courts have been stacked. Even in cases where we are able to strike down 1 bad law in a liberal state, they are able strike down 10 times that many in conservative states because all they have to do is push it to the courts. A lot of times, it dies before it would ever reach the SC. That will only increase if we are in power. While we have worried about the presidency and seats in congress, they have been LOADING the lower courts and building a legal infrastructure that completely overshadows our side.

The point is, there is an imbalance that cannot be overcome with simple supreme court picks. It just isn't reality. The only way to overcome this is congress using it's enumerated powers to decrease the powers of the federal courts.

Last edited by Recurve; 10/05/16 04:30 AM.

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Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1866274
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Recurve, I agree...congress has the power to reign these judges in but they dont.
They legislate from the bench most of the time

Re: Wikileaks [Re: TGbow] #1866353
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Originally Posted By: TGbow
Recurve, I agree...congress has the power to reign these judges in but they dont.
They legislate from the bench most of the time


You're 100% correct they don't. My point was more to the fact that simply relying on Trump to nominate constitutional SC justices is - in a way - a lost cause when the problem isn't with the the leanings of the SC and lower courts, but with the power they have. Every little bit helps and I'm not saying nominating constitutional judges isn't a good thing..I'm just saying actually fixing the problem and curbing the leftward movements in jurisprudence lies with retooling their powers. Basically, adding 2-4 constitutional minded judges won't repeal the legislation we want repealed just like HRC nominating 2-4 leftist activists judges won't move the courts any harder left than they already are.

When we win in the courts, the victories are marginal. When the left wins, they are hard social movements left like Roe v Wade. The problem again is the circuit courts. Look at 2nd amendment rights. We won the issue in Heller in the SC. We are fine in AL, but other blue states are still being effected by the circuits refusing to enforce the constitution. See weapons bans and restrictions on right to carry. There hasn't been a single circuit court rule our way on that issue.


I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There�s a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: as government expands, liberty contracts. � Ronald Reagan
Re: Wikileaks [Re: TGbow] #1866361
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Originally Posted By: TGbow
Recurve, I agree...congress has the power to reign these judges in but they dont.
They legislate from the bench most of the time


Please explain to us how Congress can REIGN in judges. Im not sure I understand how you mean.
Tell us HOW they can do that.....

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One of Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt's plans was to get the courts to quit referring to the constitution and refer back to past cases.

Re: Wikileaks [Re: Deerslyer86] #1866372
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Judges can be impeached for not following the constitution. House would impeach and senate would convict and remove.
Will it happen, I seriously doubt it. Can it happen, yes.


"Hell with them fellows, buzzard got to eat same as a worm"
Josey Wales

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Originally Posted By: outdoorobsession
Originally Posted By: TGbow
Recurve, I agree...congress has the power to reign these judges in but they dont.
They legislate from the bench most of the time


Please explain to us how Congress can REIGN in judges. Im not sure I understand how you mean.
Tell us HOW they can do that.....


Congress has a constitutional authority to limit powers in the judicial branch. For example, congress gave immunity to gun manufacturers with regards to criminal misuse of weapons they produce. That is an example of limiting jurisdiction.

Last edited by Recurve; 10/05/16 06:15 AM.

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