Trump kept talking about "Stop and Frisk" as being effective. That may be true, but without reasonable suspicion, it's also unconstitutional. We might not like it, but if a cop wanted to search you without cause, you wouldn't like it either.

Now is not the time for stop and frisk with all the BLM and issues we are having. I believe shooting incidents would increase as folks being stopped would retaliate and escalate into more violence.

I agree with you 100%. The fact that people in places like New York are willing to tolerate it is proof that people are willing to trade Liberty for perceived increases in safety.

Of course they are! They'll trade away whatever it takes to get evil guns off the streets and out of the hands of conservatives who would defend themselves. Only then can they take their heads out of the sand so they won't have to deal with reality. Just make it all go away so I can live off the gov't.

Not to mention "no fly no buy." I thought we were supposed to be more liberty minded than our idiotic brethren on the other side of this debate

Not according to the debate last night! They both agreed they should take away our liberties.

Crazy. I didn't think I was supposed to hear "I agree with Sec Clinton on this issue" so much

Chip, chip, chip ...

"Oh, stop/question/frisk is just fine. It's just a momentary inconvenience and the ends justify the means, right?"

"Oh, searching your vehicle randomly because we can is fine. It's just a momentary inconvenience and the ends justify the means, right?"

"Oh, you don't need any kind of semi-automatic weapon at all. Pistol, shotgun, rifle. No one needs those for hunting and they're "military arms." You can use a bolt-action single shot or a bow. It's not really and inconvenience and the ends justify the means, right?"

""Oh, going through your child's backpack and purse/bag/car is fine because we can is fine. It's just a momentary inconvenience and they're teenagers and teenagers do stupid stuff, so the ends justify the means, right?"

"Oh, searching your home randomly just because we can is fine. We may find evidence of a crime. It's OK. Just stand aside. It's just a momentary inconvenience and the ends justify the means, right?"

"Gun? No one needs any guns, really. The new liberal Supreme Court has ruled the 2nd Amendment pertains to militia and military, not individual citizens, so no one needs a gun. For the limited hunting allowed now by private citizens on their lands, since public lands hunting is prohibited, you can use an air rifle or archery gear. It's going to save lives and no one should see this as any kind of inconvenience."

Wait, how did all this start? Oh, yeah. Stop, question and frisk.

Chip, chip, chip ...

Sorry guys stop and frisk is constitutional based on the Supreme Court. The case was cited this morning.You may mot like it but unfortunately the SC is the final determiner of these things.

The constitution is something most politicians never consider.
Lot of stuff thats been goin on for years is unconstitutional.

In 1968, and a federal judge just disagreed with that ruling. I guess it might make its way back to the SCOTUS

Guiliani explained it this morning, it is legal and Hitlary and Lester Holt were wrong.

Thats the problem we have with the activist judges. They ignore the constitution.
After WW1 Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt had a direction they wanted the courts to move...instead of referring to the constitution, start refeering to past cases.
Thats how we got what we have now, twisting it to how some panty waste judges wants it. There is suppose to be probable cause.

Says who?

An activist struck down the Frisk law. It was appealed to a higher court and was over turned and sent back with instructions it needed to be heard by another So as it stands now it is legal. New York had a case to Strike the appeal for all time and when the Liberal Gov came in he dropped that case. Blks are foolish to dislike that law ! It cut down murders in the hood by a very large percent.

I think it's legal the way Rudy did it. Why I don't know but he pulled it off.

Perch, you know as well as I do that the end doesn't always justify the means. If reducing crime was all that mattered, we wouldn't have ANY civil liberties.

I was wondering if I woke up in a parallel universe. Stop and frisk is still legal until the US Supreme Court says different.

So, how is it not illegal search and seizure?

Every dang one of y'all know we'd all be crying if we woke up one day and they were frisking white males just walking on the street.
And guess what....it will be happening soon.