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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840187
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I know everybody has their own opinion about being part of a union.

Me personally, I have grown up in the coalfields of Kentucky and Virginia. Seen many of men starve without the union and many thrive with it. From personal experience with family members and myself, I am proud to be a union member. I will happily fight for the union. Union dues suck I agree. But they pay off in the long run.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: outdoors1] #1840189
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Like I said he worked his way up and was promoted this last time within the last 5 years. Whether he chooses to work or not has no bearing on your argument that he should not make 500,000 a year.....Next Please.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840190
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People should be able to make an unlimited amount of money in whatever legal line of work that they're in. The market will dictate how successful the business is and thus the value of the product(s), the company and ALL if it's employees.

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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840191
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If a person earns it or can get it why NOT ! You sound like Obama.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840194
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Now Wiley...You are making entirely too much sense with all that Free-Market talk.....Our brothers on here that share the same views as our President do not like that kind of elitist propaganda...

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840198
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Didn't even bother reading most of the other responses. The answer is a resounding HELL NO! The prospect of bringing home the most money possible provides incentive to do the best that you can. Salary caps provide the opposite incentive, to do just enough to get by.

People act CEOs have cushy jobs. They report to shareholders, not traditional bosses. If my salary is capped and not tied to performance, I'm going to try to meet my target but I don't give a crap about going past it. If my salary is tied to the financial performance of the company, I'm going to do the best I can so that I make more money. You tell me which of those two systems the shareholders would rather see.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Yelp softly] #1840199
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Didn't even bother reading most of the other responses. The answer is a resounding HELL NO! The prospect of bringing home the most money possible provides incentive to do the best that you can. Salary caps provide the opposite incentive, to do just enough to get by.

People act CEOs have cushy jobs. They report to shareholders, not traditional bosses. If my salary is capped and not tied to performance, I'm going to try to meet my target but I don't give a crap about going past it. If my salary is tied to the financial performance of the company, I'm going to do the best I can so that I make more money. You tell me which of those two systems the shareholders would rather see.



There you go making sense again. loco

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840236
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That will bring the talent competition down, and that works against the whole idea of capitalism.

I do empathize with the lower payed guys, though.

From these thoughts, unions were born.



Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840242
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NO!

I don't support the government telling anyone how much they can pay someone working for them. A private company or individual should be able to pay anyone any amount that they will work for. That includes a minimum wage!


What I will support is a set income for any congressman or senator based on the average income of their constituents.That includes income from any source including their insider stock trading.

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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840250
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No.

A person's rewards for hard work should not be affected by the lack of hard work of another.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840261
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There are sure a lot of union loving liberals on here

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840268
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Depending on the industry it's not hard to have the lowest wage earners in a company have a very wide income gap with the top earners. Walmart was an example used earlier. You've got stock people, cashiers and door greeters making up the bottom end of your wage earners. But your people at the top are responsible for running thousands of stores, stores in different countries, 10's of thousands of employees and managing billions of dollars of annual sales. Both are either happy with the wages they earn for their work (because they continue to be employed there) or they are dissatisfied but because of their lack of skills or education they can't find work that will pay more.

Flip the question around. Let's say that you just landed the top job at Walmart. You now run the show and the success of the entire Walmart company rests in your hands. You sign off on SEC filings that could land you in jail should somebody making $50,000/year in your accounting department decide to do some fraudulent accounting. You have to answer to stock holders, board of directors, public, etc. and make them happy. Billions of dollars ride on the decisions you make. And on your first day on the job the board of directors compensation committee tells you - oh, by the way, this job previously paid $25mm/year + bonuses and stock options, but because the new law passed we are only going to be able to pay you $500,000. Walmart's gross revenue last year was $482 BILLION dollars. Net income was $14 BILLION dollars. If I'm responsible for managing a company worth $482 billion of annual revenue, I better be making more than 50x what the greeter at the door of the Podunkville, AL Walmart makes.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840273
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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840286
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I'm wage limits, as well as term limits only for politicians. Everyone else make as much as they can.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: outdoors1] #1840289
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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Yes and no depending on the writing of the law and if we could vote on it. We need more even distribution of wealth though it may never happen call it greed. No one deserves over five hundred thousand salary I don't care what they do. Someone on the lower end is paying for it guarantee. Too many upper level people may try to write their own legal exclusions into legislation. For example, current legislatures that passed Health Reform Act do not have that insurance, but government insurance plan. If you pass the plan you should have to be part of it immediately. American greed has gotten out of hand over the years imo.
A higher up in a company may make millions a year and in addition receive stock options with value worth millions. They could stay five years and stock options double on no part of their own because working people bought into their stock. When they leave sell out and contribute to stock downward spiral or when company still post a loss. All legal in America
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All while working non-sweat 30 hour weeks and never understand the sweat part only they don't do that type work and never did. Why do you think the minimum wages has not rose proportionate to cost of living, got to have the mice turn the wheel.
Read some interesting data on AFL-CIO website that I will share. The average union employee makes over $5,000 more than non-union employee. I would pay $500 union dues if you tell me I can make $5,000 more. That should cover those dreaded union dues some complain about in the U.S. Big business wants every state to be "Right to Work" state, so they pay less wages. Good if you on the top end of business. They get more cheaper wages and more workers cheaper. Kind of a trade off it seems.


The part I Highlighted is the problem.

You're describing Eastman Kodak's plummet to the bottom.

8-10 CEOs over a short timeframe trying to get Kodak's stock prices up, slashed many programs across the board to become sleek and profitable. Instead they steered the Titanic right into that iceberg. Many of their smaller divisions were profitable, just not enough to suit the Head honchos. They first did away with their research and development departments.
Jay Kelby was let go of their Digital division, so went Kodak whom one solely owned the numerous digital photography copyrights.


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: JAT50] #1840294
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Originally Posted By: JAT50
There are sure a lot of union loving liberals on here


Oh, not me. Just making an observation from history. thumbup



Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840307
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No. When we started our company, we left well paying jobs and took all the risk. We have the right to compensate ourselves as wanted. That being said, we try very hard to take care of our employees. But we should not be limited by some magic government percentage.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840316
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Easy answer. No way.

Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840317
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Nope less laws less government


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Re: Wage Limits = Would you support a law like this [Re: Beer Belly] #1840318
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Easy answer: no


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