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Trump #1825921
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Apparently Trump is changing his stance on deportation, and amnesty. I listened to both Hannity and Rush(both have supported Trump from the beginning) discuss this over the last few days and it appears that Trump is "softening" his stance on this topic. Now hasn't this been one of the main priorities of campaign, he was supposed to deport the illegals and build the wall that Mexico was going to pay for?
This is what people have been concerned with all along with Trump, he says things just to get people stirred up with no intention of keeping his promises. I thought he was for "us" the citizens of this country, America first. If Trump loses it will be his own fault and no one else.


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I said from the get-go that the one thing that most annoyed me by all the Trump fans was their gullibility on this single issue. To believe (1) you could find illegals, (2) you could deport them, and (3) you could build a wall. Absolute, 101%, tee-total ignorant crap, honestly it's more mythical than unicorns. It's not a philosophical disagreement, it's a physical and practical impossibility.

I made it clear I was a Rubio fan, partially because he understood this issue (as well as understood the solution), and these same people labeled Rubio as "pro-amnesty". Hell, it's not pro amnesty, it's pro-realistic. They are NOT going away, so you MUST legalize those who are here so we can begin to get tax revenue from them.

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maybe ya ought to listen to the words out of trumps mouth instead of someone elses intepretation of those words....


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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
maybe ya ought to listen to the words out of trumps mouth instead of someone elses intepretation of those words....

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If y'all don't believe he will "soften" his stances -- just like every president always does between the elections and taking office -- y'all have brain damage. Of course he'll not be the same in office as on the trail. They never are. Ever. Even HRC would change or 'soften' things she's saying now once she gets in.

Obama yelled on and on about closing Gitmo. Is it closed? No. Once he got into office and realized who was there, why they were there, how many were there, and the shitstorm it would cause by arbitrarily closing it -- as he boldly proclaimed on the campaign trail -- he backed off. Eight years later, some of those prisoners are gone but it's still open and will be.

If you believe Trump can "send them all back" with millions already here, or build an impenetrable wall, or that he's going to "win" over ISIS, then get another pitcher to drink from for more Kool-Aid. Because those aren't going to happen with a snap of his fingers.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1825954
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Trump has, judging by his own words, taken exactly the same position as Jeb had on amnesty. Trump voters would never have supported Amnesty with anyone else but they will for Trump just because he says it isn't Amnesty. His language was right out of the Gang of 8 bill. I thought it was funny that Ann Coulter went completely nuts when she first heard him say it and then , within 3 days, she started agreeing with him again. At least he's not Hillary.


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That's it. Trump softened his stance so i'm voting for H.
all you never trumper's finally wore me down, i'm going with the hildabeast. No way I could trust trump ever again after shifting his policy.


Some of yall need to pay more attn. to politics and how it works over what the media is telling you.
in the last month he has gone from being down by close to 10 points after the dem convention to pulling even in some key battle ground states. If he is softening his stance it is to pull independent voters who are still not decided. One pole last week showed him with close to 20% support in the Black community. That is HUGE for a republican candidate. A softened approach to what to do with 11+ million illegal immigrants WILL help him with independants in these key states. Women in particular who do not want to hear about families being ripped apart, etc. (what the media has been saying he wants). This is a battle for the very fabric of this nation and if the man has to soften some to assure us H is not in office then I am willing to take the shift.
Now if you will read what he actually said, he said he would look at what to do with those here AFTER the border is secure. That anyone who wanted to have citizenship rights would have to leave and come back the correct way.


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I'm not never trump. I'm always pro constitution. It's almost cultish how any criticism of his positions causes so much angst for his supporters. How do you hold a candidate accountable if you think anything they do is ok without any questioning? That isn't cultish, that is a cult. His words are the very same words in the amnesty gang of 8 bill and the same words Jeb used. It's definitely amnesty but that shouldn't surprise anyone. His new campaign director is a huge pro amnesty guy that rallied republican leadership for amnesty the last two years.


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We have said form day 1 he is a con artist and we were right from day 1. Bill, I'm not never trump either, but it does bother me at the sheer blindness of his ardent followers.

In the beginning, they supported him because he was going to round up all the illegals and ship them back to Mexico. Now, they support him because he is softening his position on illegals and they can help him win independents. Which is it?


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Originally Posted By: buzzard
That's it. Trump softened his stance so i'm voting for H.
all you never trumper's finally wore me down, i'm going with the hildabeast. No way I could trust trump ever again after shifting his policy.


Some of yall need to pay more attn. to politics and how it works over what the media is telling you.
in the last month he has gone from being down by close to 10 points after the dem convention to pulling even in some key battle ground states. If he is softening his stance it is to pull independent voters who are still not decided. One pole last week showed him with close to 20% support in the Black community. That is HUGE for a republican candidate. A softened approach to what to do with 11+ million illegal immigrants WILL help him with independants in these key states. Women in particular who do not want to hear about families being ripped apart, etc. (what the media has been saying he wants). This is a battle for the very fabric of this nation and if the man has to soften some to assure us H is not in office then I am willing to take the shift.
Now if you will read what he actually said, he said he would look at what to do with those here AFTER the border is secure. That anyone who wanted to have citizenship rights would have to leave and come back the correct way.


Buzzard, how did you feel about the Gang of Eight?


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Re: Trump [Re: BhamFred] #1826001
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
maybe ya ought to listen to the words out of trumps mouth instead of someone elses intepretation of those words....


I did, he said it himself in an interview.


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I'm not a blind Trump voter.

Donald Trump X
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Pretty clear choice to me.


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Re: Trump [Re: ikillbux] #1826006
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Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I made it clear I was a Rubio fan, partially because he understood this issue (as well as understood the solution), and these same people labeled Rubio as "pro-amnesty". Hell, it's not pro amnesty, it's pro-realistic. They are NOT going away, so you MUST legalize those who are here so we can begin to get tax revenue from them.


That's where I disagree, they do NOT need to be legalized and they can be made to leave, even self deportation. Do some research on Eisenhower's deportation while in office.


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Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: ikillbux
I made it clear I was a Rubio fan, partially because he understood this issue (as well as understood the solution), and these same people labeled Rubio as "pro-amnesty". Hell, it's not pro amnesty, it's pro-realistic. They are NOT going away, so you MUST legalize those who are here so we can begin to get tax revenue from them.


That's where I disagree, they do NOT need to be legalized and they can be made to leave, even self deportation. Do some research on Eisenhower's deportation while in office.


I don't think they need legalized either and this is the exact issue Trump hit Rubio with in the primaries. Now the Branch Trumpidians are fine with a path to citizenship? It's dishonest. I will never be fine with a path to citizenship. I want a secure boarder and us to try everything we can to deport the illegals, but I still think Rubio was one of the best choices we had. Also, if people really think Trump softening his stance against immigration is going to get that voter block, they're crazy.

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I agree SBO ! His mouth is killing him. Just like him saying he would bomb the Shix out of someone. We all think it , but he must learn not to say it and put Libs and moderate Repubs in a tizzy.


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To think we'll get tax revenue from them is laughable. All we'll be getting is a bigger tax bill in the form of more benefits. I know they're getting some stuff now, but give them citizenship, then behold even more free stuff.

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Buzzard; I have never said that I would vote for Hillary, I would chew my own arm off before I would vote for her. I have noticed that many Trump supporters act just like democrats, if you don't blindly agree with everything the candidate says then you're a low life or whatever.

Remember how Trump set out to destroy the other candidates by calling them liars and dishonest? Isn't he now doing something similar to what he claimed the other candidates did? Does not that make him a liar or dishonest?
Personally; I could care less anymore, I'm tired of the idiots ruining this country as well as those who support them. I don't need someone else to tell me what either Trump of Hillary have done, it's all right out in the open for anyone who has the dang gumption to research for themselves to find out the truth.


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I thought the gang of 8 sucked, I also didn't vote for Trump in the primaries. I voted Cruz actually.
My point is that this election is strictly about those supreme court justices that will be appointed by the next president. Immigration, economy, etc is all behind that in my opinion and I support him over her on those also.
Listen, I may be wrong and if I am I will be the first to admit it. I "could" be wrong about Trump, but I know damn well I am RIGHT about what Hillary will do.


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And hey, I don't know what the answer is about the 11+million that are here. If you think ANYBODY is going to round them all up and ship them home then you are in a fantasy.
My opinion is to shut the border immediately (wall, mote, electric fence, gators, whatever). The ones who are here can pay a hefty fine and forgo any citizenship rights because of their actions. They will be given asylum (amnesty means vote ;)) and they can live the rest of their lives among us paying taxes and raising their families on the American dream. Enforce current laws and MANY will self deport anyway.
There are a lot of details that would need to be laid out for sure but that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss REAL options for immigration at any time, but now is not the time. November?? sure, after H is defeated.

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He could kill a puppy on TV and eat it and I would still vote for him, considering the choices we have.

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Originally Posted By: buzzard
And hey, I don't know what the answer is about the 11+million that are here. If you think ANYBODY is going to round them all up and ship them home then you are in a fantasy.
My opinion is to shut the border immediately (wall, mote, electric fence, gators, whatever). The ones who are here can pay a hefty fine and forgo any citizenship rights because of their actions. They will be given asylum (amnesty means vote ;)) and they can live the rest of their lives among us paying taxes and raising their families on the American dream. Enforce current laws and MANY will self deport anyway.
There are a lot of details that would need to be laid out for sure but that would be a start. I'm happy to discuss REAL options for immigration at any time, but now is not the time. November?? sure, after H is defeated.


Now is exactly the time to be discussing and holding him accountable for his polices. Once he's in office he doesn't need your vote anymore. I'm not telling you not to vote for him. I am telling you to let his campaign know when he supports policy that is anti constitutional. Make them work for your vote even if you know you'll vote for him no matter what. I do find it ironic that he's shedding the anti establishment cloak and " tell it like it is" bravado in favor of conforming to the things his supporters said he would fight against. The real irony is he will get most of them to support it, too.

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The (very little) humor I find in all of this is how the Trumpkins got a boner off of Trump's tough talk and big promises in the primaries, got suckered into voting for him, and now that he's taking it back they're all saying "ah, we all knew he'd change what he says in the general election. They never go into office and do the things they say when they were campaigning". But, then again, I guess I don't know what else there is for them to say...other than at least it's not Hillary, or can't trump the Trump.


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Do people realize that there is already a law on the books about a fence, the Secure Fence Act of 2006, and there is still no "real" fence in place. Just because Trump says it, doesn't mean that it is going to happen. Congress, both democrats and republicans have done their part to keep it from coming to fruition and it will not be any different if Trump gets elected.


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Originally Posted By: leroycnbucks
I'm not a blind Trump voter.

Donald Trump X
Hillary Clinton

Pretty clear choice to me.


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I still can't beleive the republican party has screwed up this election. This is the easiest Victory they could have ever hoped for and Donald Trump was nominated. Ha ha ha I can't figure it out but hopefully Trump will before he throws it away

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Originally Posted By: Ben2
I still can't beleive the republican party has screwed up this election. This is the easiest Victory they could have ever hoped for and Donald Trump was nominated. Ha ha ha I can't figure it out but hopefully Trump will before he throws it away


I'm thinking Rubio would be sitting pretty right now. But my vote was Cruz.

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Ben they are scared their plush lives will end and everyone will see the bums they are.


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Re: Trump [Re: perchjerker] #1826167
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Originally Posted By: perchjerker
Ben they are scared their plush lives will end and everyone will see the bums they are.



No doubt, I just can't beleive normal folks like you and me supported Donald Trump by the millions. But hey the old USA is changing quick so who knows maybe next time a conservative will be chosen.

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Originally Posted By: Ben2
Originally Posted By: perchjerker
Ben they are scared their plush lives will end and everyone will see the bums they are.



No doubt, I just can't beleive normal folks like you and me supported Donald Trump by the millions. But hey the old USA is changing quick so who knows maybe next time a conservative will be chosen.


I wish that would happen but I'm afraid that this country is headed down the path of no return.
I despise Hillary and Trump to no end but I do think that this country would be able to tread water if Trump is elected, no so with Hillary.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826259
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I dont think we would have to deport them.

1. Build the wall

2. Impose fines on any employer ($1000 per day) for hiring an illegal. After 3rd violation the entire board of directors goes to county jail for 30 days. Each subsequent violation is another fine and another 30 days. The owners or board of directors might be ok with the fine, but to be sent to prison is an entirely different story.

3. Impose same fine and jail time to anyone who rents, sells to, or provides shelter to any illegal. If you are traveling and have your passport and a valid entry visa you can stay or rent for the length of time on the visa. After that you must leave. This would include family members, not just hotels and landlords.

4. No governmental assistance of any kind shall be given to any illegal. The only exception would be a life threatening injury. But as soon as you are medically stable you should be deported, and not wait for the injury to heal.

Those 4 items would make most of the illegals leave on their own. If they stay they would not have a job, home or freebies. The ones who stay are probably drug dealers and should go to jail, then be deported. They should not just be deported, they should go to jail to pay for the crime they committed. If you just deport them they could sneak back in.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826271
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I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


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Originally Posted By: bigt
I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


My thoughts exactly. Drugs are illegal and are confiscated all the time. Doesn't mean we do house to house searches for them, just means when found, they and those in possession are dealt with. Ending sanctuary cities is another big one. The Feds actually are the ones who have precedence over immigration. They should fine/withhold funding for cities who are not reporting illegals.

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bhamfred is right.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: Trump [Re: bigt] #1826724
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Originally Posted By: bigt
I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


What are your logistic options if you catch an illegal in maine, or Alaska? Buy them a plane ticket? Save up a bunch of them an rent a greyhound? Thats alot of money you're talking about to ship illegals back.

On second thought, maybe we could work out a deal with Amtrak considering the govt just gave them a +/- 2 BILLION loan the other day.

Re: Trump [Re: whack-n-stack] #1826731
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Originally Posted By: whack-n-stack
Originally Posted By: bigt
I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


What are your logistic options if you catch an illegal in maine, or Alaska? Buy them a plane ticket? Save up a bunch of them an rent a greyhound? Thats alot of money you're talking about to ship illegals back.

On second thought, maybe we could work out a deal with Amtrak considering the govt just gave them a +/- 2 BILLION loan the other day.


It's will be cheaper to send them back by whatever means than to leave them here and continue to support them with our tax dollars......


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Re: Trump [Re: whack-n-stack] #1826733
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Originally Posted By: whack-n-stack
Originally Posted By: bigt
I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


What are your logistic options if you catch an illegal in maine, or Alaska? Buy them a plane ticket? Save up a bunch of them an rent a greyhound? Thats alot of money you're talking about to ship illegals back.

On second thought, maybe we could work out a deal with Amtrak considering the govt just gave them a +/- 2 BILLION loan the other day.


Less than the cost of supporting them with our public systems. But deportation is stupid. Raise the penalties and enforce them, starve them out til they all head home. No job=no food.

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Originally Posted By: bigt
Originally Posted By: whack-n-stack
Originally Posted By: bigt
I have never actually believed Trump would or could deport every illegal, but what I do expect is those that get caught by some government entity i.e. traffic stops, actual arrest from crimes committed, trying to get any kind of government assistance,or ect to be deported. This is very doable.


What are your logistic options if you catch an illegal in maine, or Alaska? Buy them a plane ticket? Save up a bunch of them an rent a greyhound? Thats alot of money you're talking about to ship illegals back.

On second thought, maybe we could work out a deal with Amtrak considering the govt just gave them a +/- 2 BILLION loan the other day.


It's will be cheaper to send them back by whatever means than to leave them here and continue to support them with our tax dollars......


Exactly, posted at the same time

Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826779
08/27/16 05:33 AM
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I cant believe you people cant see how to get rid of most of them. Several laws and they go home, paying for it themselves. A yr or so ago Arizona passed laws against hiring them. So many returned to Mexico politicians from there came here to complain about them returning to they homes. Open your eyes three laws and they would leave.
Make it against the law to:
Hire one
Rent housing to one
Send cash from USA to Mexico


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Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826787
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Too many people are over listening to BS and over thinking it. Pretty simple Hillary is not an option under ANY situation.
You can not vote or you can vote for Hillary and know the country is screwed and you helped. Or, you can vote for Trump and hold his feet to the fire once he's in office. Or, you can elect Hillary and she will do as she pleases and WILL HOLD YOUR FEET, YOUR WIFE'S FEET AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FEET TO THE FIRE!!!!!

Any clearer now??


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826804
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I'm voting only for the SCOTUS. This election is far too important on this lone issue to vote otherwise or not vote at all. Anything else that helps conservatives and stays within the constitution will be a bonus.


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Trump [Re: Fun4all] #1826849
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Too many people are over listening to BS and over thinking it. Pretty simple Hillary is not an option under ANY situation.
You can not vote or you can vote for Hillary and know the country is screwed and you helped. Or, you can vote for Trump and hold his feet to the fire once he's in office. Or, you can elect Hillary and she will do as she pleases and WILL HOLD YOUR FEET, YOUR WIFE'S FEET AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FEET TO THE FIRE!!!!!

Any clearer now??



Explain how "we" can hold his feet to the fire? What are you going to do to him to hold him accountable? That is the biggest bunch of bull crap that people always say but NEVER do!!!. Name one time in this country's history that "We the people" have held a president accountable, it has always been Congress that has either attempted or succeeded in keeping a president in check.

Once again a trumpster doesn't understand that no one has said that they will vote for Hillary or not vote at all in this thread, you guys are just like freaking democrats, if someone doesn't blindly agree with trump then you start spouting off stupid stuff.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1826857
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Yes we have to weed the dead weight out of Congress too, but sbo some here would rather see Hillary in office than vote for Trump. Hell no hes not perfect, but not the devil either !


Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

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Originally Posted By: sbo1971
Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Too many people are over listening to BS and over thinking it. Pretty simple Hillary is not an option under ANY situation.
You can not vote or you can vote for Hillary and know the country is screwed and you helped. Or, you can vote for Trump and hold his feet to the fire once he's in office. Or, you can elect Hillary and she will do as she pleases and WILL HOLD YOUR FEET, YOUR WIFE'S FEET AND YOUR CHILDREN'S FEET TO THE FIRE!!!!!

Any clearer now??



Explain how "we" can hold his feet to the fire? What are you going to do to him to hold him accountable? That is the biggest bunch of bull crap that people always say but NEVER do!!!. Name one time in this country's history that "We the people" have held a president accountable, it has always been Congress that has either attempted or succeeded in keeping a president in check.

Once again a trumpster doesn't understand that no one has said that they will vote for Hillary or not vote at all in this thread, you guys are just like freaking democrats, if someone doesn't blindly agree with trump then you start spouting off stupid stuff.


LOL, thanks for humping on the Trumpster theme!! Obviously, the Hillary is NOT an option part was missed, or she is a great option to some. Please in all the wisdom what is the best choice for this Election?? Hillary?? Gary?? The Green Candidate?? I don't vote incumbent if they have been fleecing the taxpayer for more than 12 years and nobody else should either!! EVERY politician below the Executive Branch should be paid directly from the State/district they represent because they are NOT federal employees they represent their State/district.
The government is what has caused the problem, doesn't take much looking on this site to see that in full display and those that grovel at governments feet to use it's authoritarian force to "fix it".

A person can choose to skip along behind the flute playing satr (government promising "fixes") on the path to hell. Or, you can have courage stand up and say enough with the status quo "fixes" and demand that those that represent you do their damn job, or send them packing if they don't.

Letting Hillary prance into office and stomp on me, my wife (if I had one) and kids & grandkids is NOT an option.


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Re: Trump [Re: Flyway] #1827111
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There's only one thing that makes a vote for trump acceptable to me. He's not hillary clinton. In the end, that's all that matters to me.
It's a hell of a situation, but that's the situation we're in. Out of 300+ million people, this is the best we could come up with? Sad, very, very sad

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So my question is, do y'all think trump should have kept saying the same thing till he lost in November? He used the word softening, but then he said he was gonna do everything he said before basically.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1827776
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Trump is clearly in over his head. Him trying to defeat the Clinton machine is like Hillary trying to build Trump Towers. He is out of his element.

I worked for the Federal Government for several years--went there from the private sector. After several attempts at trying to change "the system", my boss pulled me aside and said;"One thing you are going to have to realize, this is a bureaucracy, not a business."

Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1827779
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So Papa you gonna vote for the HILDERBEAST ? If you dont vote for Trump you may as well. Thanks for your can do attitude. TRUMP is not perfect but hes our only chance to keep that witch out of the WHITE HOUSE !


Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Trump [Re: perchjerker] #1827786
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Originally Posted By: perchjerker
So Papa you gonna vote for the HILDERBEAST ? If you dont vote for Trump you may as well. Thanks for your can do attitude. TRUMP is not perfect but hes our only chance to keep that witch out of the WHITE HOUSE !


Larry, a candidate that is above criticism is a candidate in danger of becoming a dictator. You can vote for a candidate without pledging blind allegiance. I'm not saying Trump is Hitler but if we become fearful of pointing out negatives because we are demonized for it, then that sets a dangerous precedence. I think we all understand he isn't Hillary even if many of their polices look alike.


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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1827794
08/28/16 06:47 AM
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all I can say is WOW!

You guys all say it woulda, coulda, shoulda been someone else but guess what? It isnt.

Its him or Hitlery. It is really just that simple.

Screw the damn left wing media...they are all against Trump and for Hitlery..so I ignore them.
I think most intelligent rational people do as well.

So all the bitchin on here I see is a bunch of guys (pretty much the same few) all regurgitating the left wing medias talking points for them.

SMDH!

Its pretty simple..if Trump doesnt win say hello to at least 2 supreme court nominees for Hitlery..liberal as Sotomeyor.

Abortions will be legalized,..and ordered to be funded thru tax payers in a supreme ct case...guns rights taken away thru the cts...religious rights of chistians marginalized , more of the BS weve seen the last 8 years..but emboldened....and life in the country pretty screwed up.

But wth..keep rooting against him. slap

I dont know why you think parroting the liberals talking points against Trump are in anyway helpful.. but whatever...

He certainly isnt the best Choice, but neither were Mc Shame, Romney, or the other arsewipes weve put up in the last decade.

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Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1827796
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Good post obsession

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Re: Trump [Re: perchjerker] #1828106
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I am going to hold my nose and vote for Trump. The point I was trying to make is that he is completely out of his element, the Clinton political machine is a powerful entity, and it will be a miracle if he wins.

Re: Trump [Re: sbo1971] #1831751
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I didn't see much softening last night. Im beginning to think some of yall are being played as bad as the media is.


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