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Re: Game Wardens..
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Most people who have done nothing wrong will gladly show their bag or cooler off when they don't have to. It's not merely a GW's request because he wants to. It's in the Code of Alabama that if he asks then you must show. Complain, debate, don't show him or whatever. But when you decline to open your livewell while out on the lake fishing or don't offer your game bag/vest/cooler when you're in the field hunting doves or coons or frogs, it ain't going to end well for you.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 10:11 AM
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Most people who have done nothing wrong will gladly show their bag or cooler off when they don't have to. It's not merely a GW's request because he wants to. It's in the Code of Alabama that if he asks then you must show. Complain, debate, don't show him or whatever. But when you decline to open your livewell while out on the lake fishing or don't offer your game bag/vest/cooler when you're in the field hunting doves or coons or frogs, it ain't going to end well for you.
Whoever is happy will make others happy too. Anne Frank
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Re: Game Wardens..
[Re: Clem]
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08/25/16 10:23 AM
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Most people who have done nothing wrong will gladly show their bag or cooler off when they don't have to. It's not merely a GW's request because he wants to. It's in the Code of Alabama that if he asks then you must show. Complain, debate, don't show him or whatever. But when you decline to open your livewell while out on the lake fishing or don't offer your game bag/vest/cooler when you're in the field hunting doves or coons or frogs, it ain't going to end well for you. I do see a debate in this though. Think about it this way, you must consent to a breath test if ordered to, which is considered a form of search, because when you drive on a public road, which is a privilege granted to you by the state, you have consented to this search. It is called the Implied Consent Law. On the other hand, when you hunt, which is a Right granted by the State Constitution, you are also agreeing to a form of search. There is a big difference between a right and a privilege. While I'm glad it is this way for the sake of enforcement, I could see some issues if the right person were to start challenging it.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 10:33 AM
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Most people who have done nothing wrong will gladly show their bag or cooler off when they don't have to. It's not merely a GW's request because he wants to. It's in the Code of Alabama that if he asks then you must show. Complain, debate, don't show him or whatever. But when you decline to open your livewell while out on the lake fishing or don't offer your game bag/vest/cooler when you're in the field hunting doves or coons or frogs, it ain't going to end well for you. Sure if you're hunting or fishing or towing a boat or something that leads GW to believe you were doing something illegal. But if I'm driving back from the grocery store in a truck with a cooler in the bed full of groceries driving the speed limit, GW has nothing. He is just like any other LEO. I'm traveling on a road from the store without hunting or fishing gear at the speed limit.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 10:41 AM
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lot a GW experts on here that know somewhere between zero and nothing about GWs or laws.....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 10:46 AM
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Most people who have done nothing wrong will gladly show their bag or cooler off when they don't have to. It's not merely a GW's request because he wants to. It's in the Code of Alabama that if he asks then you must show. Complain, debate, don't show him or whatever. But when you decline to open your livewell while out on the lake fishing or don't offer your game bag/vest/cooler when you're in the field hunting doves or coons or frogs, it ain't going to end well for you. I do see a debate in this though. Think about it this way, you must consent to a breath test if ordered to, which is considered a form of search, because when you drive on a public road, which is a privilege granted to you by the state, you have consented to this search. It is called the Implied Consent Law. On the other hand, when you hunt, which is a Right granted by the State Constitution, you are also agreeing to a form of search. There is a big difference between a right and a privilege. While I'm glad it is this way for the sake of enforcement, I could see some issues if the right person were to start challenging it. Right on the money Jawbone. Driving is a privilege not a right. Same thing in FL you agreed to implied consent when you signed your driver's license. It's actually printed on FL license. Probably on AL too I would think. If you don't blow you're license is suspended. But a GW stopping me coming back from the grocery store with no hunting or fishing gear or boat when traveling the speed limit just doesn't fly with me. No agency can stop you because they feel like it. Now going to hunting camp or towing boat or other signs I might have game animals or fish I could see. That makes sense. Not breaking the law and not engaged in hunting or fishing Because GW feels like it I cannot.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 10:50 AM
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lot a GW experts on here that know somewhere between zero and nothing about GWs or laws..... Please enlighten us. What's the real deal in your state? You're word I'll take as gospel.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 11:27 AM
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More of a statement ... basically that the 4th Amendment protects hunters/anglers from having to show the GW anything upon request.
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 11:52 AM
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lot a GW experts on here that know somewhere between zero and nothing about GWs or laws..... That goes for plenty of topics on here.
Quietly killing turkeys where youre not!!! My tank full of give a fraks been runnin on empty I'm the paterfamilias
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 12:11 PM
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More of a statement ... basically that the 4th Amendment protects hunters/anglers from having to show the GW anything upon request.
That does bring up a good question, Troy. With Implied Consent your license is suspended for not complying, but what happens if someone refuses to turn over their game bag for inspectionon a dove shoot for instance, what repercussions do they face? Are the current GWs going to forcibly take it from them and is there a separate charge for this? I know what was likely to happen in the olden days when we were young, but I'm talking about modern times.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 12:13 PM
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but I'm talking about modern times. In the "hunters are customers" era?
"Hunting Politics are stupid!" - Farm Hunter
"Bible says you shouldn't put sugar in your cornbread." Dustin, 2013
"Best I can figure 97.365% of the general public is a paint chip eating, mouth breathing, certified dumbass." BCLC, 2020
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 02:13 PM
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Jawbone implied all LEO's can stop and search for no reason not just GW this is not correct. You may have done it for years but have been lucky to not have been challenged. I have been asked by LEO's to be searched and have flat out denied and guess what I wasn't searched neither was my car. I even waited for 1 hr for them to get a dog and circle the car and nothing so guess what they couldn't search my car. Know your rights. Now a GW is different ball game that I don't have experience with but I know for a fact other LEO's have limitations on what they can do. Road blocks are also tricky depending on what state. Some states have to post where the road blocks are a day in advance which covers them on consent to being searched.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. Edmund Burke
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 02:57 PM
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BhamFred
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GWs have no more general search/siezure authority than any other LEO EXCEPT when you are on a WMA. A GW can search your vehicle on a WMA just because he feels like it at the moment. I lost several good drug cases because my asst DA didn't know of this law and threw out several of my cases because she couldn't see any probable cause for the initial stop.
Jawbone, failure or refusal to allow inspection of game bag/game/ etc would result in an arrest for failure to allow inspection..and the inspection would take place or somebodies arse would go to jail.
back to the pre question. Most of the time a GW sets his own work times per day depending on time of year, complaints, what his partner wants to do, etc. Sometimes GWs have their work plan laid out by a supervisor or Montgomery office, but not too often. It takes a real self starter to do that job well.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
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muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Game Wardens..
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08/25/16 02:58 PM
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Jawbone implied all LEO's can stop and search for no reason not just GW this is not correct. You may have done it for years but have been lucky to not have been challenged. I have been asked by LEO's to be searched and have flat out denied and guess what I wasn't searched neither was my car. I even waited for 1 hr for them to get a dog and circle the car and nothing so guess what they couldn't search my car. Know your rights. Now a GW is different ball game that I don't have experience with but I know for a fact other LEO's have limitations on what they can do. Road blocks are also tricky depending on what state. Some states have to post where the road blocks are a day in advance which covers them on consent to being searched. With all due respect, I believe I'm a little more well versed in the subject matter than you. And I certainly don't get your first line because that is far from what I said. Try going back and re-reading.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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