This isn't a gripe and complain thread. Please don't turn it into that. I am trying to help folks streamline a process and there may be lots of questions.

You can now get on-line and get your Conservation ID #. This number will stay with you from now on. This number will also eliminate the need for folks to have to get a new Lifetime License like we've been discussing. Our developer actually got through early due to prodding along This number will be one of the numbers accepted by the system to check in harvests. It is also 11 digits shorter that an annual license number. I got mine yesterday in about a minute and a half.

First- Go to the Hunting tab and click Game Check your Deer/Turkey


Next page will have Conservation ID on far right. Click it.


The next page you will have to enter your last name, birth date and last years license number or if you are an exempt hunter, your H.E.L.P number. Exempt hunters cover a large group. If you have questions on the H.E.L.P number ask. Follow the prompts. It will take about a minute max of 2 if you have your old license.

Will check it out. Thanks for posting.

Is this something that I need to make sure I write down and remember or will it show up on my license when printed each year?

Thanks, I looked for it Monday and never could find it.

Just got mine. Pretty quick and painless.

Write it down and keep it handy. It will not be on licenses this year, as crazy as that may sound. They have not been added to the automated system yet, or that was my understanding today. They will be in the automated system in the 2017 hunting season.

That said, license vendors will be able to you up by this number in the future. Should make things easy when you go to purchase a license in the future. Just give them a 6 digit number and birth date.

And I just sent off for a new lifetime today

Your mail hasn't made to town yet, go get it

We are trying to get the word out.

Just to make sure I understand. I have a lifetime license that already had the 10 digit code I think it was. So I am good to go as far as reporting kills?

hell i just noticed they have my birth date wrong from when i had my old one replaced , damn

Wait, I just remembered I got my new Lifetime license in the mail recently (the one with the deer-stand-voter tracking chip!).

So do I need this ID number as well? Or is the new Lifetime that supposedly is updated with a new number good to go?

If you have a new Lifetime License with 10 digits you are go to go without doing anything.

If you have a Lifetime License with less than 10 digits you MUST either get the Conservation ID # (which is easy) or get a new Lifetime License (which is not as easy).

Clem- See above.

i think i'll just take a day and go to montgomery and get mine straight .

I don't have a lifetime license, do I need this ID number also?

I'm moving to Montana...

Damnitt Frankie...them dumbasses down there...There...I said it...

No, but the Conservation ID # is 6 digits vs 16 digits on the annual license and will streamline the process of checking in your harvest.

nah just a simple mistake , i should have caught it . they got 01/27/59 should be 12/07/59

Question, got my son a HELP number last year. I don't think I have it written down or anything. Are you supposed to get a new HELP number every year? If not, is there a way I can retrieve that number?

What about retired folks. My Dad and my uncle hunt his private land and they laughed at me last year when I told them they needed a Harvest permit. They taught us to always obey the laws and bag limits and followed them closely but once they retired they quit paying attention to all these new changes with deer season and have no idea what all this stuff is.

What do I tell them they should do?

Anyone exempt from purchasing a license (under 16 or over 64) can get the HELP number, and use it as their license number to get the Cons ID. Once they have that ID # they never have to get another one.

Dangit...another annoying thing to fool with.

Got mine today. Pretty easy.

I got mine too. Very painless and an easy number to remember for the future.

Matt will have to continue to answer questions for now. Just walked in and the power is out and has been for a while apparently and I have 4% battery on the phone.

Good luck... I will return.

I had asked this question before and don't recall seeing an answer. My lifetime license had a 6 digit number followed by the year it was purchased, with a small space between the two sets of numbers. I would've considered that a 10 digit number but I'm not sure if that's what you guys are calling a 10 digit number.

It's a moot point now as I just went and obtained my Conservation ID #.

yeah and i bet there's more down the road .

I don't need no stinkin ID!

pretty much what I was thinking.....

Bet that evil cat has something to do with it.

Thanks

So how do I retrieve his number? I don't remember it and threw his paper harvest form away the other day

X2. Who needs an instruction manual to go shoot a pine goat

Hush yo' mouth. This is progress. Progress!

I made a contract with the State of AL in 1988. Charles Kelley said I had the right to hunt for the rest of my life. Somewhere I've still got a press clipping where he encouraged everyone to buy a lifetime license so that we would be covered in the event the state ever required anything special for deer or turkeys.

My lawyer, J. Noble Daggett, says that if the state now wants to break our contract it is up to them to provide the new license.

Sorry Nighthunter; I'm not gripping. I just intend to honor my side of our contract.

I would go on-line and get him another one, which can be used to get the Conservation ID #.

And that's exactly what the state is doing. It doesn't cost you anything to get the ID# and it prevents you from getting a replacement license for GC.

Guys.......don't rain on their parade. They are really proud of what they are turning hunting into. now we can be like other states.

Frankie don't hold me to this but I believe I read where last years rules stated that if you owned the land or you was the overseer you didn't have to buy a license...Pretty sure I read that in the rule book...It may have changed though....

I wasnt even talking about the silly fact that they want us to go online to get another number to go with the number we purchased.

I was talking about the fact that I do not think it is right to allow the DCNR to continue to advertise their products on here for free and that I am going to have to do something about it. They typically pay magazines and other media outlets to dictate to, err.. "inform", the public what we are supposed to be doing and we are letting them do it here for free. That is going to change.

been that way for many many years .

Thanks for the info

Go ahead delete it now . Just trying to help those that frequent. Will be my last.

Thanks for the info, Nighthunter

Geez

In my humble opinion Skinny that is not helpful for our forum. This is a hunting forum and they ( our members that also work for the State) should be allowed to post topics about the upcoming season, any new regulations or heck anything about hunting. If any non State employee member would have posted the link I doubt it would have gotten that response from you. As long as it is helpful it should definitely be allowed especially if it keeps one of our members from getting in trouble by not knowing what they need to do or how to do it........

Jeremy and Matt are an asset to this forum. Posting information that we wouldn't get or understand from a damn magazine. By doing so it may help someone from unintentually getting a ticket. They don't have too but do so even though some of y'all bitch and moan at them about new or updated regulations they had nothing to do with. Just trying to help us.

From what I can tell when they are posting topics like this and attempting to clarify the confusion with further posts then they are posting as Official DCNR spokespeople.

Nobody at the DCNR has contacted me about whether there is an official DCNR spokesperson for Aldeer or not and who that may or may not be.

However, what they are saying is being presented as "official". When in fact, it is not because the DCNR has never brought forth an official spokesperson for Aldeer. Despite, many suggestions and offerings that they should have such a somebody over the past 16 years, they have never put anybody forward nor have they tried.

For a time we even offered the DCNR to have their own forum for Q & A with the public for free. They declined and it is obvious that this is their policy for communicating to the public now. Unofficial and for free.
Which when it comes time for somebody get a violation ticket because they were confused about a post they saw from a Gamewarden on Aldeer, you better bet things will be official and not free.

An official person or persons to put away rumors and clear up game laws and regs is a great idea imo. I like the official section on the TN site and think it great. Having somewhere to go, ask a question and get an official answer is a great idea. No ifs ands or butts, just a straight answer and a locked thread afterwards for reference later in court if needed. I look at their archived stuff from time to time to get an answer to my questions too. I can see where with all of the info given here sometimes that people can get the incorrect info and get themselves into a heap of trouble over what unofficial folks tell them or maybe even what actual GW's or employees of the state say that may or may not be correct. So I said all of that to say I can see where you are coming from Skinny.

Long before I worked for DCNR I was a member of this forum. I always enjoyed reading and talking with folks from DCNR back then and it was one of the reasons I came into the site. I'm sure this site gets a lot of hits just due to the fact that there are DCNR employees who regularly post here, I'm not saying that's the only reason people come here, but it probably helps bring a little attention to aldeer. But if you don't want us posting here because you think it's free advertisement, then I guess I'll head somewhere else. I miss the old Aldeer days.

Of course, I can't speak for Matt, Jeremy or Jon, so I am only guessing that the state does not ask or tell them to get on Aldeer for any reason. It does appear to me that a few of the state employees enjoy hunting and hanging out here with other hunters. It appears that they are acting on their own, not as employees but as hunting buddies. I for one, get a lot of helpful info from them. I also believe their presence draws more traffic than it repels. If an advertising fee must be paid to keep the lights on, that's understandable though. I doubt you will get any cooperation from Montgomery so I'll miss their posts.

How did you go about doing that? I looked online and couldn't find anything. My lifetime card is broke and about worn out too. I need a new card.

Getting a new card is easy...just call Montgomery and give them your info and they will send you the new Lifetime Number card.
I spoke to Mr. Chuck Sykes last weekend at the Buckmasters Expo about having an old lifetime card with a number that couldn't be used on Game Check. He looked at my license and told me to call Montgomery and they would issue me a new one at no charge. I did just that this past Monday. It took about two minutes max to provide my current card number and verify my current address.\Montgomery DCNR/Licensing phone: (888) 879-4150 (toll free)or(334) 242-3829

Well, from what I can gather from the above posts, I did not really have to get a new lifetime license, even though it said that I did in the Alabama Hunting and Fishing Digest. Guess I wasted a couple of hours of my life at the license office. Now it appears that I also have to get some kind of number in order for my grandkids to hunt legally.

I agree with Crenshawco: Who needs an instruction manual to shoot a pine goat?

I don't blame you and/or the others if y'all drag up, I thought it was helpful info. and that's all. If y'all do go drop a line so we can come along for y'alls knowledge about hunting/fishing,

Thanks for the help along the way

so we get a tutorial on how to get a conservation id# and it goes to someone wanting money for someone speaking on how to do something.. i could post a tutorial on how to post pics from photobucket but im not an official spokesperson for them so whats the difference. i highly doubt that an employee with the DCNR would knowingly and willingly give false info on any topic posted on this site

Ok, the only verification that you have that they are an official DCNR representative is a bunch of strangers on the internet. Test your luck with that in court when you get a ticket.

#1 tony Stewart is a douche
#2 you are missing the point

no missing the point here

Please clarify the point then? From where I'm sitting looks like a guys was trying help and show a "how to" to help any one that might have a problem or might be confused. And he just happemed to work for the employer"x" while someone else gets butt hurt for being compensated for the said "how to" since he runs the show around here and will probaly get further into the butt hurt and start swimg the mystical ban hammer around as its been called. Looks to me empolyer "x" doesnt pay these guys to put stuff on here looks like they do it out of kindness and enjoyment for the community and as a group in a whole. Looks like someones has there foot in there mouth right about now. Last time matt left it was like everyone didnt know what do with there questions then and looked like a panic was fixen to arise and he showed back up and all is well again,everyone sleeps at night again....and now you want them to pay you for the stuff they put on here trying to be helpful to the others thats members here? Sounds like something hilary and obama would do. Running all the good company off looks like

let me guess

#1 gay gordon
#2 d%#k jr

fan

when matt left the world went dark, i can honestly say i see some of the ones that said they would go elsewhere actually do it. when you have a good thing you dont go off and screw it up but that none of my business

Got mine, thanks.

You're right. It's not.

Possibly the gayest comment in aldeer history.

Its not about asking for money or getting them to pay up.

It is about them being official or not being official. Matt Brock and Nighthunter and the others are nice guys. But them posting as "official" DCNR reps during their off-hours does not mean anything more than me telling you the price of a bushel corn (which I know nothing about), but I can sound "official" about it.

The DCNR has had for many years made it a very official policy of not being an active participating member of Aldeer, and the reason being is that they are scared of talking and dealing with the regular public face-to-face directly.

But doing it indirectly, through Matt and Nighthunter, seems good-enough for the guys in Montgomery. When it comes time to give you a ticket because you misunderstood something you read on Aldeer from an "un-official-but-protrayed-as-official" source ends up biting you in the field and the courtroom do not complain to me.

So if the DCNR wants to use Aldeer as a place to communicate hunting regulations, which seem to change at a moments notice these days, then they need to man-up and do it officially. Otherwise, they need to go away and let us continue to bitch about what a horrible job they are doing.

i want to express my thanks to matt, jermey, and jon for they work they put into to making this a great state to hunt in. i value your opinion and answers to questions asked related to hunting and fishing rules and regs.

i dont see them as posting as OFFICIAL anything. they are posting out of the goodness of their hearts to explain things that you cant get out of a magazine or even a real person at times.

Exactly. Now wouldn't you like something official you could take with you to the field when you got a problem to deal with?

let me rephrase that. they are officials with the DCNR.. what they tell you is what they know to be fact and the law or regulation. whether they are posting at the request of the DCNR or on their own accord is up to them. still if i show another warden the post they answered to stating an answer to a legal question im pretty sure the warden is going to say that is correct

You go for it with "pretty-sure" and tell us how that works out for you.


Sometimes folks got to learn the hard way......

I understand what your getting at with the officially unofficial officials. And i think if taken the way your talking about is wrong IF Montgomery is using it that way BUT I see what they're doing off the clocks on their time as individuals answering peoples questions as from a professional stand point no different then someone asking the landscapers,mechanics, archeologists, trappers, space ship pilots etc.... their professional a pinion on the matter at hand and someone taking it as full blown not other way to do it stand point because joe dirt said it was the way to do it, like the post about army worms someone that was a landscape professional could have told the guy to spray round up on his whole yard and it would take care of his worm problem which it would have because they would have left when there was nothing else to eat because he killed all the grass. And thats how guys should take any adivce given on here as there professional opinion nothing more nothing less, what jon says is good to go for him in cullman might not meet jim bobs definition of the same law two countys over and land billy bob a ticket. Same goes for the other guys if theres any doubt in what there doing they should contact the local green britches and have them explain it to them so both parties are clear on the matter at stake. A good example of this would be a couple years ago when the corn out while hunting became legal had to be "x" yards from the stand and "x" amount line of sight. There was to many "IF'S,BUTT'S AND SQUIRREL NUTS" with that law that it seemed to be how you and green britches interpreted that law on if you was in good standards or getting a ticket. And these boys could give you some good advice on that matter to help clear things up and its was just that advice. But this is just the way i see it some else might see it differently. That's the nice thing about opinions there like ass holes everybodys got one some them just stink

okeedokeee.

Do you have a specific instance that you are talking about when referencing someone getting a ticket from something said by one of our members?

I guess it really doesn't matter. You going to do what you want to do and it is your privilege as one of the owners. I just don't see where any of this is a benefit to the site or it' s members. This site has definitely changed over the years some of it for the good and some of it not so much................

jeeeze louise

Montgomery does NOT tell any employees to get on here on their own time and answer questions, matter of fact they would prefer they NOT get on here.

and not one damn thing any of them has said on here will stand up in court if you get arrested. NOT ONE THING.

Man oh man, if I was Matt, Jeremy, or Jon, I'd never answer another question regarding any thing with the dcnr or regulations.

Who cares if it will hold up in court? Do the vast majority of us not have a better understanding of the laws because of their posts? Sure, somebody might be confused and get a ticket. Tuff titty.... Imagine how many of us would have misunderstandings if Google and the rule book were our only resources.

Skinny, have you ever called a game warden to ask a legal question? How well do you think a non recorded phone call will hold up in court if you misunderstood? Specifically If it's a different game warden........

This whole thing is dumb

Skinny, do you take the same position with jawbone, drew, and all the other guys in law enforcement? They offer a lot of advice that is "unofficial" and wouldn't hold up in court.

So I need to get a hunting license and then I need to register for this Conversation ID?

If I were owner of the site making nothing or virtually nothing, and had to watch people complain about decisions I made consistently, I'd probably just shut it down and enjoy my extra free time. It is becoming a common theme around here. Just use the site for what it is and enjoy the like minded people... And ignore the others.

tell you this , running a talk board is a full time bitch of a job .

This^^
Can't blame the DCNR guys for leaving Aldeer the way they get treated around here.

Money talks and the bullsheit walks. Writing is on the walls. Haven't y'all learned this before.

Yep.....definitely all about the money....we wouldn't be having this conversation if certain palms were being greased.

Care to elaborate? Big accusation.

Just how much grease would you think would be applied in this case. This is a website frequented by a few hundred good ole boys. This isn't ESPN. I have never had a need to check advertising prices for this site but I would assume that Skinny ain't getting rich here from selling ads across the top of the page. I don't see money as being the main reason this site is here. However, some of it is necessary for it to exist.

Here ya go.....now tell me it ain't about the money!

imo , it could be read a lot of ways to mean a lot of things .

since i did not write i couldn't say really what it means .

in a later post he stats it really not about the money

I don't know, the two posts seem to contradict each other, But either way, I can't see much greasing going on anywhere here.

Pretty cut and dry there...What else does he need to do besides send out a damn invoice.

I agree Frankie...that post could be taken many ways and I think a lot of people on here took it the same way I did....that certain information was not going to be allowed here for free....then the later post was ment as cover for the "Money"post.

i pretty sure they could find some one to do a Q&A on here .

Didn't make an accusation....just stated fact.

Good grief
Mbrock and Night hunter don't make the rules. They are just giving us some tips and tricks. Skinny I can see your point but don't take it out on these guys I'm sure if they could they would love to post on an official thread but that decision is prolly above them.

Its all about money. The DCNR implements all this wordy bullschit into a simple activity to collect revenue and disguise it as research. If you wanna tell me its not about revenue, screw off. Its another ticket to write.

Look up the studies they do on the rivers. Most are 9-10 pages of third grade reading material. Meanwhile, municipalities dump sewage, businesses dump hundreds of gallons of sulfuric acid into the black warrior river, and there's no quote from them on that. They want to talk about the new dumbass monitoring program they're rolling out. On average hunters.

Well I can't comment on all that...but I do appreciate the knowledge and information that the DCNR guys posted on here...I learned a lot from those posts. Guess that's a thing of the past now Thanks to the" powers that be" on this site.

My point is, theres more important issues to conservation that they could be bringing up instead of labeling hunters as a number. I dont have any business interest in this site.

Im more or less expressing my frustration with the incompetence of the DCNR.

Y'all are right, it is about the money. Unfortunately not like many are thinking though.

Game check is an ugly seed that has been planted. It is sprouting and will in the not to distant future begin to branch out. And a day will come when it bears its fruit.

It's sad folks think it is solely for herd mangement and conservation.

This site is not what it used to be. It use to be about members. Not anymore. Just bout if i can i make a dollar anymore.

This^^^^^ this is what I been trying to say.

enlighten us then. what is it for??

X2......please tell us more.....

You will probably need to get your own tinfoil hat to understand what he is talking about lol

Nope, you will just have to learn to think for yourself.

That is really tough on a lot of people.

That's what I thought....Damn there I go thinking for my self again...

http://www.tndeer.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=31&sid=aa4c3de1a5399cf772afa1cb9ff9f5f7

That's a link to the forum where the TWRA answers questions on tndeer. Looks like they get 4 or 5 questions a week, so it's not something that takes them a lot of time. Skinny has said that he offered to do something similar for our dcnr, but they have no interest in interacting with the public. Skinny sure doesn't need me defending him, but I can understand his frustration with them. Obviously, the TWRA wants to support their state's a largest hunting forum, and obviously, the AL dcnr does not. They will travel around and tell hunters about the new rules they have made up for us, but don't seem interested in any interaction with us before they make them. Of course, I'm talking about the policy maker at the top and not the dcnr employees that post here.

FWIW, I've been posting on aldeer for over 13 years and I haven't seen any great change in it. It's always been the best place on the net for girly men to come and get their little feelings hurt. . Better have a thick skin if you wanta hang out here. What has changed is the dcnr. In my lifetime, I've seen it go from an agency that saw its mission as serving the people to one that wants to rule the people.

As far as I know, aldeer has always been a commercial venture. The ultimate mission of any commercial venture is to make money. It has never been a charity.

Capitalism used to be regarded as a good thing. I guess 8 years of our current president has convinced the majority of even AL hunters that it's evil.