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Send more Mexican workers #1773189
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I employ about 40 people in a pine shavings mill in NE Georgia. Ten are Hispanic. Six are white. The rest are black. Turnover among the Hispanics and whites is near zero. Turnover among the blacks is almost 100% every year. It is getting harder to find young men who actually want to work. But it is even harder to find young men who know HOW to work. In the past month, I received applications from four different African American men in their early 30s. None finished high school. None EVER held a job! I could not run my business were it not for honest hard working Hispanics here on work visa.

Rant over!


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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773199
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whats the starting pay?


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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: goodman_hunter] #1773201
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I have a neighbor/customer who owns a large scrap shredding facility here in Pensacola. His business is the exact same way, the Mexicans keep it going.

I will say that nowadays, pay is the biggest factor in who you will find willing to work.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773207
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I have trouble finding good guys in certain markets for $15- $18 an hr which seems like dang good pay to me. Plus our guys get tips often as well. I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.

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Originally Posted By: Ben2
I have trouble finding good guys in certain markets for $15- $18 an hr which seems like dang good pay to me. Plus our guys get tips often as well. I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.


I had the same problem finding people for 14-15 an hr..and the work was inside the plant...I to worked for $5.35-6 an hr and literally had to dig ditches(by hand) to lay wire and conduit...I don't miss those days at all.

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It is almost impossible to find young people that have even a tiny bit of work ethic these days we run through them like crap through a goose.. WHEN they show up for work you have to stay on top of them just to get them to move let alone work, we get one or two every now and then that work good but they are not the norm..



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I feel your pain. I really struggled with retention with AA males. They usually just want to work long enough for beer and cigarette money and then just all of a sudden didn't show up. I would take one Mexican for every three AAs.


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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: Ben2] #1773229
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Originally Posted By: Ben2
I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.


I worked in cotton and vegetable fields for $5 a day when I was a kid in the late 60s


A huge problem that I see these days is that nobody thinks forward to the next little move to be made when involved in a task. An entire operation can be shut down by the nonthinkers.

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Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted By: Ben2
I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.


I worked in cotton and vegetable fields for $5 a day when I was a kid in the late 60s


A huge problem that I see these days is that nobody thinks forward to the next little move to be made when involved in a task. An entire operation can be shut down by the nonthinkers.


dang youngsters...I remember getting paid $2.15 an hour when I started in my early teens. early 1960's.

and ya'll are right about kids work ethic these days....


I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....

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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773267
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I pay $14-$24/hr. Several of our Hispanic employees have completed the necessary steps to become US citizens. I have the highest respect for anyone who works hard, pays their own way, and does not want government handouts.

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A lot of the work ethic is defined in the culture they were raised in.

I don't like illegal entry into the US, but give me a hard working crew of Mexicans over some of our indigenous cultures anyday who see sitting around or stealing as the norm.

Most Mexican worker groups I've had the pleasure of knowing and spending time with are fiercely loyal and hard working.



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Originally Posted By: Deadwood
A lot of the work ethic is defined in the culture they were raised in.

I don't like illegal entry into the US, but give me a hard working crew of Mexicans over some of our indigenous cultures anyday who see sitting around or stealing as the norm.

Most Mexican worker groups I've had the pleasure of knowing and spending time with are fiercely loyal and hard working.


This is spot on.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773285
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I pay $14-$24/hr. Several of our Hispanic employees have completed the necessary steps to become US citizens. I have the highest respect for anyone who works hard, pays their own way, and does not want government handouts.


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Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
I pay $14-$24/hr. Several of our Hispanic employees have completed the necessary steps to become US citizens. I have the highest respect for anyone who works hard, pays their own way, and does not want government handouts.



This is how it's supposed to work.
Come to America on a work visa, apply for citizenship, learn the language, take appropriate measures to become a citizen.
I am not anti "Mexican".. I'm anti illegal.


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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: BhamFred] #1773293
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Originally Posted By: BhamFred
Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted By: Ben2
I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.


I worked in cotton and vegetable fields for $5 a day when I was a kid in the late 60s


A huge problem that I see these days is that nobody thinks forward to the next little move to be made when involved in a task. An entire operation can be shut down by the nonthinkers.


dang youngsters...I remember getting paid $2.15 an hour when I started in my early teens. early 1960's.

and ya'll are right about kids work ethic these days....




dang, they must have really liked you. I bagged groceries at a winn-dixie for $1.15/hr. in mid 60's. I did manage to save enough to buy my 1st car, a 1957 Pontiac Chieftan. I think it was $600. New 2 tone yellow/white paint and had a 348 v-8, about 300 hp. It was a thing of beauty, I'd love to have it today!

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: BhamFred] #1773295
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dang youngsters...I remember getting paid $2.15 an hour when I started in my early teens. early 1960's.

and ya'll are right about kids work ethic these days....




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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: Wiley Coyote] #1773297
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Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote
Originally Posted By: Ben2
I can remember working for $7 an hr when I was young.


I worked in cotton and vegetable fields for $5 a day when I was a kid in the late 60s


A huge problem that I see these days is that nobody thinks forward to the next little move to be made when involved in a task. An entire operation can be shut down by the nonthinkers.


Now hang on a minute, y'all want them to show up, work and think? Y'all sure are asking a lot grin

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Come to America on a work visa, apply for citizenship, learn the language, take appropriate measures to become a citizen.
I am not anti "Mexican".. I'm anti illegal.


THIS, EXACTLY.

Yet this is what the libtards call "bigoted" or "racist," and those who keep screaming about "we need a pathway for them to become citizens" are so incredibly stupid. We already HAVE a way for them. it's called naturalization.


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All of the "I got paid $0.50/hr" stories kill me. All the credit for y'all for working, but fifty cents in 1965 is not fifty cents today. laugh

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Originally Posted By: Remington270
All of the "I got paid $0.50/hr" stories kill me. All the credit for y'all for working, but fifty cents in 1965 is not fifty cents today. laugh


"I worked for $5 a day, went to college&left debt free, bought a house, new car and raised 3 kids all on $5 a day."

Damn kids these days. crazy

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I worked for $3.35 an hour for what seemed like forever before I got a raise that put me at $5.00 an hour. Man I thought I had it made!
I was single, living at home and all of that money was mine to do with how I pleased. Then I graduated from high school, got married and joined the Army and she spent that money faster than I could make it.


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Definitely fun to reminisce.


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Definitely fun to reminisce.


Not always'...

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773322
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One of my best employees is an Albanian immigrant. She came to the US at age 16 with nothing and is now a US citizen living the American dream. She is hard-working and has zero sympathy for the "I want something for nothing" types. So I made her HR manager. She culls them faster than a high fence hunter on Outdoor Channel.

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What gets me is the kids who think they deserve a brand new $40K truck when they haven't worked a day in their life, and the parents buy it and then wonder why junior won't get off his ass.

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Ron Swanson is spot on as usual ! There are a ton of agricultural and forest industry families in this state who once used their children to work the fields, woods, and sawmills. OSHA regulations have made that nearly impossible today! I know plenty of grown men who started as children shoveling sawdust and stacking lumber. They learned their family business from the ground up, but now they can't teach their kids the same ways. Every business I know of has labor issues these days even for jobs not considered to be manual labor.

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$15/hr = 31k/yr

$10k/yr just to educate kids (+ infrastructure, etc)

How much of that $31k is being paid in state taxes, including what you are paying?

Lets say that their wives work and they make $50k together and they pay 20% state taxes = 10k/yr

If they have 1 kid/employee on average then you are taking money from every person in the state just for educating their family.

Just another perspective. You get a good employee and everyone else in the state pays for that employee.





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If we had to rely totally on locals, we would have been out of business years ago. And when you say that, some folks automatically go to "what do you pay", as if the reason is the pay grade. That is not the case. We pay better than other local similar businesses ($12-$15), pay for their work clothes and pay 100% of the employees insurance. They can get family coverage for $20/week. The locals just won't work. Evidently, they don't have to.

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Lazy parents = lazy kids.

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Apples to oranges. While I won't make excuses for anyone being lazy, you can't compare what an immigrant from Mexico will work for and what someone raised in this countries nanny state will work for. The average wage in Mexico is about 2.50 per day. One man working here and sending money home can support an entire extended family over there. Imagine moving to a country where you make the same amount in a day you make in a month here. I would guess you would be very grateful for that job. Not to mention if your child is born here its like hitting the lottery with free education even to include college in some states and food, housing, and health care.

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Originally Posted By: WildlifeBiologist
One of my best employees is an Albanian immigrant. She came to the US at age 16 with nothing and is now a US citizen living the American dream. She is hard-working and has zero sympathy for the "I want something for nothing" types. So I made her HR manager. She culls them faster than a high fence hunter on Outdoor Channel.
rofl


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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly
$15/hr = 31k/yr

$10k/yr just to educate kids (+ infrastructure, etc)

How much of that $31k is being paid in state taxes, including what you are paying?

Lets say that their wives work and they make $50k together and they pay 20% state taxes = 10k/yr

If they have 1 kid/employee on average then you are taking money from every person in the state just for educating their family.

Just another perspective. You get a good employee and everyone else in the state pays for that employee.






Huh? I really didn't follow you here? If you're saying that a couple paying $10k/yr in taxes is actually not covering the cost of a single child's education, that's false. Employers contribute almost the same amount per employee , so that's actually 20k a year taken from their pay.

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The Mexican Maid

The Mexican maid asked the wife of her anglo employer for a pay increase.
The wife was very upset about this, and decided to talk to her about the raise.
She asked: "Now Maria, why do you want a pay increase?"

Maria: "Well, Seńora, there are tree reasons why I wanna increaze."

"The first is that I iron better than you."

Wife: "Who said you iron better than me?"

Maria: "Jor huzban he say so."

Wife: "Oh yeah?"

Maria: "The second reason eez that I am a better cook than you."

Wife: "Nonsense, who said you were a better cook than me?"

Maria: "Jor hozban did."

Wife, increasingly agitated: "Oh he did, did he?"

Maria: "The third reason is that I am better at sex than you in the bed."

Wife, really boiling now and through gritted teeth.

Wife: "And did my husband say that as well?"

Maria: "No Seńora....the gardener did."

Wife: "So, how much do you want?"

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: charlie] #1773592
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Originally Posted By: charlie
Apples to oranges. While I won't make excuses for anyone being lazy, you can't compare what an immigrant from Mexico will work for and what someone raised in this countries nanny state will work for. The average wage in Mexico is about 2.50 per day. One man working here and sending money home can support an entire extended family over there. Imagine moving to a country where you make the same amount in a day you make in a month here. I would guess you would be very grateful for that job. Not to mention if your child is born here its like hitting the lottery with free education even to include college in some states and food, housing, and health care.


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Most of education funding locally come from property tax, the only taxes your employer is splitting with you is social security. Entitlements are coming out of your pocket, businesses just raise prices to offset tax liability.

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$15/hr = 31k/yr

$10k/yr just to educate kids (+ infrastructure, etc)

How much of that $31k is being paid in state taxes, including what you are paying?

Lets say that their wives work and they make $50k together and they pay 20% state taxes = 10k/yr

If they have 1 kid/employee on average then you are taking money from every person in the state just for educating their family.

Just another perspective. You get a good employee and everyone else in the state pays for that employee.






Huh? I really didn't follow you here? If you're saying that a couple paying $10k/yr in taxes is actually not covering the cost of a single child's education, that's false. Employers contribute almost the same amount per employee , so that's actually 20k a year taken from their pay.

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Which is why most business minded conservatives don't really want Trump's wall.

I support it, But I admit I am conflicted.

We need to instill pride in working for a good, honest days pay.

Most kids (white or black) think a factory job is beneath them.

We need to change the "get a degree" for the sake of getting a degree culture.

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Most Mexican worker groups I've had the pleasure of knowing and spending time with are fiercely loyal and hard working.


And I've never heard about a Mexican crossing himself, then screaming "Sanctus Sanctus Dominus" and start killing everyone with an AK.

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Y'all keep singing the praises of the brown man. What y'all forget is, the only reason y'all are still company owners. Is because they couldn't box your company up and ship it down south. Sure they work hard now, but when the first generation has kids. Them kids will eventually chill out, and probably end up being supported by the gov, while breeding like rabbits. Look at California, they took over Compton.


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Don't worry though, when the Mex quit working the quatamolins will take there place


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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773774
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That is what I was going to say.


It be's that way sometimes.

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Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: goodman_hunter] #1773782
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Originally Posted By: goodman_hunter
Y'all keep singing the praises of the brown man. What y'all forget is, the only reason y'all are still company owners. Is because they couldn't box your company up and ship it down south. Sure they work hard now, but when the first generation has kids. Them kids will eventually chill out, and probably end up being supported by the gov, while breeding like rabbits. Look at California, they took over Compton.
. This is already happening their are more sorry than ours when it comes to work. They have already figured the entitlement plan out.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1773818
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I dont think there are that many halfway decent paying jobs out there for your younger white male high school graduates.


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$15 hr not really much for an American working family man with a mortgage, all that insurance needed, and cost of groceries these days. Now to a Mexican or foreigner that would be like $150 hour, especially when they may be on a get out of jail free card. Not a great working environment when you don't know how many guys the foreigner may have killed before they come here. Worse than working with a bunch of thugs imo.

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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
$15 hr not really much for an American working family man with a mortgage, all that insurance needed, and cost of groceries these days. Now to a Mexican or foreigner that would be like $150 hour, especially when they may be on a get out of jail free card. Not a great working environment when you don't know how many guys the foreigner may have killed before they come here. Worse than working with a bunch of thugs imo.


Wow. So you know how many people the Americans you work with have killed? Your post is absolutely stupid.

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Doekiller,
Some American thugs have a record to know what they have done and a few are in prison. When they get out you may look them up or figure out they are fresh out of prison by talking to locals. Foreigners have no history or record here until they commit a crime here. There slate is clean when they come here in our records!

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I didn't realize Mexicans were know for being serial killers either, I'm going to have to watch my back more closely when getting chips and salsa at my local Mexican restaurant.

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Just don't mention words like deportation or immigration or you may see the kitchen clear out! Then all you will be eating is salsa and chips.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1774113
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A friend of mine is doing the concrete work on a new Holiday Inn at PC and he has already culled thru almost all of the black and white workers. Almost all Mexican workers now, he says they will work hard and you don't have to tell them every thing to do. They show up ready to go.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: outdoors1] #1774173
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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Doekiller,
Some American thugs have a record to know what they have done and a few are in prison. When they get out you may look them up or figure out they are fresh out of prison by talking to locals. Foreigners have no history or record here until they commit a crime here. There slate is clean when they come here in our records!


Most Mexican criminals that come here are not here legally and don't get legal jobs. Also, most of them are still criminals here, not hard workers.

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How many of y'all's kinfolk owned slaves? I'd blame them! LOL

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Who knows if a person is a criminal here or abroad? Some countries do not have adequate resources to do investigations nor do most low poverty countries have adequate infrastructure to support modernization of their computer systems. Some people leave their country to lay low and in a lot of cases America is where they go. Wanted or not wanted a large percentage work here without any type of visa legal and illegal.
"Politically correct is not always what is right, but what has been programmed into American people to say unless you on in a minority class, then all can be said with no repercussions and then they are applauded"!

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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
Who knows if a person is a criminal here or abroad? Some countries do not have adequate resources to do investigations nor do most low poverty countries have adequate infrastructure to support modernization of their computer systems. Some people leave their country to lay low and in a lot of cases America is where they go. Wanted or not wanted a large percentage work here without any type of visa legal and illegal.
"Politically correct is not always what is right, but what has been programmed into American people to say unless you on in a minority class, then all can be said with no repercussions and then they are applauded"!


I think its more your assumption that they are criminals, than the the possibility that they could be. Of course they could be.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: outdoors1] #1774417
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Originally Posted By: outdoors1
"Politically correct is not always what is right, but what has been programmed into American people to say unless you on in a minority class, then all can be said with no repercussions and then they are applauded"!

Is this a quote you attribute to someone? Are you quoting yourself?

Either way, I can not decipher exactly what the statement means due to your lack of punctuation.

Re: Send more Mexican workers [Re: WildlifeBiologist] #1774420
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He simply assumes that either all Mexicans are criminals or they are more prone to criminal behavior that good ole Mercans.

I can say from my dealings with criminals on a daily basis, Mexicans are down the list for criminal behavior.

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Originally Posted By: doekiller
He simply assumes that either all Mexicans are criminals or they are more prone to criminal behavior that good ole Mercans.

I can say from my dealings with criminals on a daily basis, Mexicans are down the list for criminal behavior.


No way I would state all of any class are all criminals!

Mexicans are down the list for criminal behavior. If you can't find foreigners prosecution becomes less of a priority. Would you say if you can't find them prosecution becomes less of a priority ;therefore there is less convictions on record for that reason alone?

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My first job was at a Quincy's steak house and I started at $2.60 I think.

I remember my first military exercise I went on was a 21 day 12 on 12 off gig at Fort Bragg in Feb. I will never forget getting that paycheck and doing the math on the take home pay. I made a monster $1.68 an hour take home.


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