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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: bamahunt]
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: bamahunt]
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06/13/16 05:22 AM
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I'd offer $1K/acre as a starting point based on what you've described and see if you got anywhere. He's milked it as far as cutting it for the foreseeable future and, in his opinion, it's just sitting there. $40K prob sounds pretty decent to him for land in another state that he never accesses and he's already gotten paid for once through timber sales.
Ya'll are just overthinking it now
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: bamahunt]
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06/13/16 05:24 AM
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By my math 1500$x40=60k tops. You might be able to get them to negotiatiate. GLWS
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/13/16 07:48 AM
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I'd offer $1K/acre as a starting point based on what you've described and see if you got anywhere. He's milked it as far as cutting it for the foreseeable future and, in his opinion, it's just sitting there. $40K prob sounds pretty decent to him for land in another state that he never accesses and he's already gotten paid for once through timber sales. Yep, this is what I'd do. Although there are several areas where $1,000/acre is too high.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/14/16 05:51 AM
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I just bought 38 acres in a very similar situation that borders us except it was clear cut 2 years ago and not replanted.
Got it for $1,000 an acre.
Had it not bordered us it would not have been worth $1,000, but it was to us.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: bamahunt]
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06/14/16 07:33 AM
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-It is a 40 acre parcel that was clear cut and not replanted in 2008
-I would like to purchase and plant loblolly for future resale -
You also have to figure in what it's going to cost you per acre to (spray/burn/prep/trees/labor) replant he land since it's been 8 years after cutting. God Bless, David B.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/16/16 03:15 AM
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-It is a 40 acre parcel that was clear cut and not replanted in 2008
-I would like to purchase and plant loblolly for future resale -
You also have to figure in what it's going to cost you per acre to (spray/burn/prep/trees/labor) replant he land since it's been 8 years after cutting. God Bless, David B. This ^^^^
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/16/16 04:21 AM
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Can anyone give me a ballpark cost range to prep and plant loblolly on a site that has 8 years of clearcut growth per acre on a 40 acre tract?
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/16/16 01:51 PM
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Ballpark - $250/ac to spray, burn, seedlings and plant. I doubt it on an 8 year old cutover. It's going to need mechanical. I'd wager it would be closer to $400/ac
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/16/16 02:17 PM
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Ballpark - $250/ac to spray, burn, seedlings and plant. No way that's gone happen
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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06/21/16 09:06 AM
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Ballpark - $250/ac to spray, burn, seedlings and plant. I doubt it on an 8 year old cutover. It's going to need mechanical. I'd wager it would be closer to $400/ac You are way high Reb.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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08/11/16 02:15 AM
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I realize this thread is a couple of months old but I'd like comment on the replanting discussion. If it were hardwoods that were clear cut I'd leave it alone considering it's been 8 years. If it were pines I'd recommend you have a forester to walk the property and see how trees per acre you have at the moment. If there's a good amount of trees to the acre and they're 8 years old you'd be going backwards to cut it and replant. If you can pay for the property without the need of cutting the timber and do decide to replant I'd highly recommend planting hardwoods. Hardwoods are getting harder and harder to find, in central Alabama at least, and the price of hardwood it getting higher everyday whereas pine prices are falling. Why would you recommend walking away from an 8 year old natural HW stand but 'highly recommend' to replant hardwoods?
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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08/11/16 03:02 AM
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I realize this thread is a couple of months old but I'd like comment on the replanting discussion. If it were hardwoods that were clear cut I'd leave it alone considering it's been 8 years. If it were pines I'd recommend you have a forester to walk the property and see how trees per acre you have at the moment. If there's a good amount of trees to the acre and they're 8 years old you'd be going backwards to cut it and replant. If you can pay for the property without the need of cutting the timber and do decide to replant I'd highly recommend planting hardwoods. Hardwoods are getting harder and harder to find, in central Alabama at least, and the price of hardwood it getting higher everyday whereas pine prices are falling. Why would you recommend walking away from an 8 year old natural HW stand but 'highly recommend' to replant hardwoods? I think he was recommending not killing the 8 yo hardwoods.....not walking away from the land.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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08/11/16 03:07 AM
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Yes I would agree with timbercruiser...between $210-$250/ac with site prep & machine planting 3rd Gen Lob 8 years! 8 freaking year old natural growth. And you guys think you can get a decent regeneration job for 250/ac or less, which is average cost or below for "normal" regen. An 8 year old natural stand in SW AL would have 1000-1500 tpa of various species already 20-30 feet tall. And 2000 more tpa of suppressed trees, bushes and vines in places you couldn't walk through, etc. Comparing that to a freshly harvested area with normal, timely regen practices. Alrighty then.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: timbercruiser]
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08/11/16 04:27 AM
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Turkey I can show you a tract, about 800 acres that had a 12 or so year old clear cut thicket of junk hardwoods, privet, etc on it. I had a helicopter nuke it, we planted with mechanical planters with no burning or anything. That was about 7 years ago and there is a nice plantation right now out there. It was a LOT less than $250 an acre. What's a LOT less? I just don't see it. I know what average, timely industrial regen costs are here in the timber belt. Maybe you have a viable plantation on par with industry standards - I don't know. But there's a lot of professionals around here - the best in the business - that can't get desired results at that cost ( whatever a LOT less actually is). If you have a stand that can be thinned at age 11-13, and that scenario is true - I say congratulations.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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08/11/16 08:20 AM
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Good chance it might be thinned at 11 - 13, it is growing well, but it isn't that old yet. I don't remember the exact cost, but I'll try to dig it up. This was a cheap landowner experiment, but I don't see anything wrong with the stand at this time. Ok, but you do understand that it's not industry standard and has very little chance of producing desired results in 95% of landscapes in AL - with that particular budget in 2016. The original topic, I thought, was to give the guy some idea of industry standards. I gave you credit where credit is due. But your cheap landowner experiment is not applicable to the discussion to be fair.
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
[Re: bamahunt]
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08/11/16 08:39 AM
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What kills me is a tract I just saw offered for a little under $1.5 million for 240 acres. Has a decent sized lake and new construction lodge that's pretty nice. Even if you value the ammenities at 250,000 that's still 5,000 an acre for land and timber. The topography and site index are pretty much crap too. Steep slopes and highly erodible sandy textured soil from what I saw when I was on the property several months ago.
"Cull" is just another four letter word...
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Re: Offer Price per Acre
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08/11/16 05:05 PM
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Good chance it might be thinned at 11 - 13, it is growing well, but it isn't that old yet. I don't remember the exact cost, but I'll try to dig it up. This was a cheap landowner experiment, but I don't see anything wrong with the stand at this time. Ok, but you do understand that it's not industry standard and has very little chance of producing desired results in 95% of landscapes in AL - with that particular budget in 2016. The original topic, I thought, was to give the guy some idea of industry standards. I gave you credit where credit is due. But your cheap landowner experiment is not applicable to the discussion to be fair. Ok, I'm giving a price on a normal spray, burn, hand plant with gen 3 loblolly at about 726 per acre next week, it is going to be around $240 per acre in the ground.
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