IBut it's hard to tell a guy he can't hunt a area because roads are wet.

We are lucky we have a gas line and power line on our place that we can plant but they allow us an acre for greenfields per hundred acres. As far as roads the only time they do any repair is when they need to get their trucks in and out.

Some hunters like to complain about roads but few understand that it only takes a couple of days on a Dozer to surpass majority of lease $$. Facts are, hunters causes damage to hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of road work each year. If hunters would respect the landowners roads, particularly by staying off of them when they are wet, they would last much longer. If companies held performance bonds on hunters like they do loggers, folks would be more cautious.

It is easy to tell someone they have to walk. If they kill a deer, then take a four wheeler or whatever to it.

Not picking on you or anyone in particular. Only saying that is how we do it on private land. I have seen fresh graded roads ruined because of hunters coming in and rutting them from the gate to the property line only because they paid their dues so they are going to use them roads, hell or high water.

It is easy to tell someone they have to walk. If they kill a deer, then take a four wheeler or whatever to it.

Not picking on you or anyone in particular. Only saying that is how we do it on private land. I have seen fresh graded roads ruined because of hunters coming in and rutting them from the gate to the property line only because they paid their dues so they are going to use them roads, hell or high water.

You will never satisfy everyone. Some roads get trashed using trucks instead of 4 wheelers or side by sides. So do u not let people use trucks? Some folks can't afford a 4 wheeler. If you're paying for a club or lease the timber company should ensure roads are accessible not perfect. However, I don't buy that timber company profits go out the windows by maintaining a basic roadway that is passable. My experience is that lease roads get trashed from logging trucks and equipment but that usually gets fixed by lessor or their agent who caused road damage not the lessee. I wouldn't expect to have a timber company fix a road that I trashed. If logging trucks trash it, they better pay to fix it. I'm not paying overpriced lease rates with no guarantees of game or to not be guaranteed reasonable access to the property.

To be frank, I'm contemplating not leasing any property in AL this year because I don't feel the lease rates are worthy of what u get. I don't feel the companies support lessees by providing enough information about properties beforehand or a realistic idea of what game is present. After being in a club last year where ten members didn't see a single deer, I'm cautious about dropping thousands of dollars in a lease or hunting club again. When ten members don't see a single deer all season on the same property, the problem is the land not ten people. That hunting club property is available for lease but with no sightings of deer or turkey last season, I honestly can't risk dropping almost $1700 on leasing it to hope the hunting is better next year. I truly have become disillusioned with hunting leases and feel that those who lease hunting properties only care about getting their payment. I don't believe they care about satisfied lessees because they can get someone else to lease a property if current lessee leaves. Someone is lined up so if you won't pay someone else will. It's all about companies and their agents getting their money and not educating and working with a lessee to ensure they make a good decision and are satisfied with their leased hunting property. I just can't justify dropping a couple of grand on land lease then have to pay another 40-50% for food plots, fertilizer, lime, license, etc and not see a single deer.

It is easy to tell someone they have to walk. If they kill a deer, then take a four wheeler or whatever to it.

Not picking on you or anyone in particular. Only saying that is how we do it on private land. I have seen fresh graded roads ruined because of hunters coming in and rutting them from the gate to the property line only because they paid their dues so they are going to use them roads, hell or high water.

At best there 3-4 that understand the true dollars and cents of this business in this thread, the rest are spouting emotional nonsense. I hate it too. I was part of the problem but it isn't going away.

When lease agents get involved in describing a tract, that gives folks an avenue to complain to superiors about it not being as described. Most companies choose to give basic info and let the lessor do their own background research.

What really grinds my gears Nighthunter is seeing a property listed with a map and no other info. Someone managing a property is on it regularly and should have a general idea of property and game on it. someone should at the least be able to say there are plentiful deer frequenting the property or there are some deer on the property or this is a trophy property priced higher than others. Put some meat on the internet listings. All this bs about asking for harvest records yet I've never seen or heard of a company offering to show me a harvest record for a property. It's all bs & lies to me. Frankly I don't trust any of the companies that lease hunting land including the ones on here or that lurk here and post on AFOA. The main issue is trust or a lack of it not emotion. I'll pay a fair price but expect to be given the whole story about the property before I lease it. Full disclosure ahead of time. How can you lease property and only state location, number of acres, and a map? What kind of game is on it? If you're a biologist and you lease properties you better tell me more than number of acres, location and a map. Even if you're not a biologist you have an idea of what kind of game is or isn't on a property you have up for lease.