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The Pig Plot Trap #1731461
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The Pig Plot Trap

Becca and I set up a trap on our hunting club in Wilcox County on Dec 5th of last year. It was located on a super small food plot that we didn’t plant this season but we did spray it and disc it for some reason. While hunting in the area this fall I kept noticing that the hogs really seemed to like the area.
The area has a creek to the west and a small branch to the south. It also has about 40 acres of 8 year old pines to the east with a large cattle pasture on the other side of the pines. Between the pines and the creek is about 40 acres of hardwoods. Just a great piggy area.
The trap has been operational for most of time. I did pull the feeder out for about 3 weeks right after deer season. Other than that it has pretty much been in catch mode.
To date we have caught in that trap 11 times for a total of 89 hogs. We have not moved this trap at all. We just keep changing the batteries and filling the feeder with corn. The pigs keep showing up.
I must admit I get a kick out of hearing folks claim you can’t catch in the same place twice. I guess they really wouldn’t believe 11 times. LOL

I plan on leaving this trap at this location until it completely drives up with pigs. I just don’t think it will as long as the cattle ranch keeps feeding them cows.


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How does that fit in with the territorial 'sounder' theory and the fact that many dispel the idea that hogs migrate and spread?

That is a lot of triggers, and I assume each was a complete sounder removal, in a short time.

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That one is a LOT of fun to get to also. There's a BAD road on the east side of the creek crossing that has swallowed several SXS's. Managed to get a Kawasaki Prairie 400 through there only getting stuck three times yesterday. By some miracle we came back through with a 100lb sow and 4 piglets without sticking it, until we got to the giant sand pile the creek deposited when it got up last time.

This was not a full sounder catch but Barry has a camera with text pictures to his phone and he does try to do full captures when he can. I'm sure they migrate and I'm sure neither he nor you know everything about how to eliminate them.

I'll say this for sure. We have hammered them (well some of us have, we have a member who can't shoot, his initials are Brandon) for almost a year and a half and I see a LOT less of them than I did. That's with no serious efforts from our neighbors that I'm aware of. I personally believe they will never be eradicated from an area but if you pressure them some they will find another area more to their liking.


Fwiw I took the pigs to the guy who runs the body shop, garage, hang out around the fire barrel and drink place just south of our camp road on Hwy 5. That's the 3rd time I have taken them pigs (we also have carried some to the guy with the store the other way on 5), and I feel much better that they're not going to waste (mine anyway).


EVERY CLUB with pigs ought to be doing that. It's a sin and a shame in my mind to throw them away to rot when there are people around who would love to have them. Never hurts to generate a little goodwill in the democratic community. I plan to go see the preacher at the local church (St Mary's) and find out who else may want some.

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I agree, Robert.
And, that is not a slam at Barry.

However, it IS highly-touted 'Science' that I am questioning. And, I would like to know other's opinions on it.

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Hogs in general love pig plots! A pig plot being defined as wherevever we put a feeder up.
And Robert if you have extras you might try the area between red creek and Kimbrough...

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11-Dec 4 S
22-Dec 2S and 1yb
25-Dec 1B
9-Jan 3S, 7G, 1B, and 2YB
18-Jan 2S
27-Jan 5S and 4B
19-Feb 1S, 1B, and 5YB
28-Mar 2S, 13G, and 8YB
31-Mar 4S, 7G, 1B, and 7YB
28-Apr 3B
4-May 1S, 1G, and 3YB


legend S=Sow, B=Boar, YB=Young Boar, G=Gilt


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I know that is a little difficult to read, I just don't know of another way to put it out.

To answer your question, I would not say I waited for complete sounders each time. I had to catch when we had myself or another member at camp to get them out.

If you notice, with the exception of the boar only catches, there was at least 1 sow in each catch. And boy were they pregnant (Don- notice no fetal count). LOL

I will admit this is an unusual situation. The Dec 11 and 22, Jan 18 and Jan 27 catches only had 1 young pig combined. Yet, everyone one of those sows were about to pop. We did cut them open when we cleaned them to check for fetuses. They each had 4-8 in them best I can remember. I have stopped keeping those numbers now.


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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
How does that fit in with the territorial 'sounder' theory and the fact that many dispel the idea that hogs migrate and spread?

That is a lot of triggers, and I assume each was a complete sounder removal, in a short time.



I doubt a single trap can provide any information on migration or spread. I would think you would need to research pigs on the edge of a territory with no pigs on the adjoining property to study that. I wouldn't think you could do that in the middle of a large pig population like in Wilcox County.

Under the normal definition of migrate, pigs don't migrate. They do move around within their area as food sources change. But, they don't migrate with the seasons like birds, fish, and African game.

If pigs did spread at any real rate, we would have had them all over the country hundreds of years ago. It is about 3,000 miles from coast to coast depending on the route you pick, if pigs did "spread", they would have hit California about 300 years ago with just a 10 mile a year rate. At that rate the entire county would have been hog country 200 years ago.

If you look at the maps of feral hog dispersal back in 1988, I think it is VERY safe to say that pigs do not migrate or spread at any noticeable rate.

And yes that is just my opinion not a fact. It is very logical though.


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I have always noticed Seasonal migrations (call it movement within an area if you will) or the hogs where I am located. And, by such, I mean several miles. And, during times of abundant food supply, such as crop maturity or heavy mast, individual hogs and groups of hogs may travel well over a mile in one direction to feed and then return to a Sanctuary type area to bed in the daylight hours.
I have been keeping tabs of a large group since about mid-Winter. That group has now split into 2 smaller groups. The closest is just over 1 mi from the area they resided in during the Winter. The other group is almost 2 miles and across a State highway.
And, although I and others will kill a good many of those hogs this Summer. I would be willing to bet that there will be a repeat of this again next year. They always have!
I get invited to properties quite often that the deer hunters claim is over-run with hogs. But, when we get there during the Summer, there is not the 1st hog track to be found ANYWHERE on the property. That is a very common scenario.

And, your statement about areas with established hog herds is exactly the same thing that I have been saying this whole time. Large properties with highly restricted access will provide a brood sanctuary that will keep surrounding properties populated. Land use patterns, hunter access, Hunter participation/harvest utilization all HAVE changed considerably over the 30+ yrs that I have been actively hunting hogs. And, they have all played integral roles in the hog population.

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Here are the kill numbers for the club during the calendar year of 2015. Like you said, everyone told us that the pigs were very seasonal but I don't think that is totally the case. They do move around some, but I believe the disappearance is more of the hunters disappearing than it is the hogs doing so.

Jan 9
Feb 10
Mar 4
Apr 15
May 5
Jun 0
Jul 3
Aug 6
Sep 12
Oct 33
Nov 8
Dec 12
Total 117

2015 We killed 75 hunting and 42 trapping. But, didn't start trapping until Sept.

So far in 2016 we have killed 25 hunting and 82 trapping.



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Danny,

How many did ya'll kill on Flatwoods the year you got the hog membership?


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I honestly do not remember.
But, it was multiple hogs every trip.
And, you are correct that they stay right in that area you are talking about. It is probably the most 'hoggy' place there.
And, with them clearing so much of Shell Creek for cattle.....I am sure it is even more so!

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Daniel I think they move seasonally just like turkeys. The Scotch land back behind Jonny Newsomes house always had a bunch of fall turkeys...and in the spring none...they all hopped the highway onto Forrestdale

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Originally Posted By: JayHook
Daniel I think they move seasonally just like turkeys. The Scotch land back behind Jonny Newsomes house always had a bunch of fall turkeys...and in the spring none...they all hopped the highway onto Forrestdale


Good analogy!
Migrate may not be 'Scientifically Accurate'.
Maybe 'Seasonal Transition' is a better, if we are being PC.

But, there is NO doubt that here in SW AL the hogs move around with the food and pressure. And that movement is often measured in miles. And, a combination of all external factors such as terrain, topography, land use, human presence, preferred food, etc ALL create some extremely reliable travel corridors and transition zones such as the area that Barry is describing.

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I have noticed that in the spring turkeys seem to move to the corn! LOL

Had a guy up near my uncle's place in Coosa County that would end up with all the turkeys in the area about the time spring season started. The GW helped disperse them some a couple of years. Funny had a ticket helps move the turkeys around. LOL

There is no doubt that hogs move around some during the year. But, I don't think it is a total sell out. I think there are always some that don't know the routine and hang around.

I do get a kick out of some folks that say our hogs leave during the summer. When the ground dries and it is more difficult to see tracks, you have to scout a little harder.


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Since you have no hogs 'local' and seek out preferred habitat in high population areas; I can see where your opinion would be influenced in that direction.

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Danny,

Bless your heart. Your distain for me and my business are clouding your judgement. I work properties in my home County regularly as I do the counties adjoining it. I rarely call on any landowner. They contact me for help. So, you had 2 misstatements in your post.

But I have no doubt you will spin this at me somehow.


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LOL - you just tried to bash me last week about my leads not helping you......until I reminded you of the Reeves.....You are Welcome, btw.

I guess I am the only one privileged enough to get asked for leads.
I am honored!! smile

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You are correct about Reeves. I was brand new starting out. That one did work. I can't think of another client that didn't call us. So, don't act all high and mighty! LOL


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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I honestly do not remember.
But, it was multiple hogs every trip.
And, you are correct that they stay right in that area you are talking about. It is probably the most 'hoggy' place there.
And, with them clearing so much of Shell Creek for cattle.....I am sure it is even more so!


I do find it interesting that you and Don always brag about how many pigs you have killed along with other hog doggers, but when I ask you BOTH about those numbers, neither of you can provide them. Could it be that ya'll are simply estimating those numbers?


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