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Are We the Wiemar Republic About to Elect a Hitler? #1731218
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It has been said that history repeats itself, and the rapid ascendance of a brash, populist, almost fascist, cult of personality certainly brings comparisons to the Wiemar Republic between 1919-1933.

I'm sure many of you have read in history books about people having to literally take grocery bags and wheel barrows full of money just to buy small items, because hyper-inflation was so extraordinary. However what most people don't read too much about is the extreme moral decay of Germany during this time. Berlin was a virtual Sodom and Gomorrah.

One man stepped up and promised he was going to "Make Germany great again." And he indeed did for a while...

Interesting read:

http://www.ukapologetics.net/weimar.html

Or simply google: "Decadence of the Wiemar Republic" but beware there is some pretty explicit stuff...


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Re: Are We the Wiemar Republic About to Elect a Hitler? [Re: Irishguy] #1731223
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Hitler wasn't elected...he just kinda took over

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While I admit there are some similarities as far as Trump's belief in Nationalism, I don't see any comparison to Hitler's conquest ethic. Trump wants us to pull our interests out of other countries and concentrate on the home front.


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Originally Posted By: JAT50
Hitler wasn't elected...he just kinda took over


He personally wasn't "elected" no, but in a parliamentary form of government a certain party - in this case the Nazi party led by Hitler - gets a large enough majority elected to the parliament to have their leader appointed as the head of the government. This is basically what happened. Once there he worked quickly to consolidate his power and become the supreme leader.

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Originally Posted By: MarksOutdoors
While I admit there are some similarities as far as Trump's belief in Nationalism, I don't see any comparison to Hitler's conquest ethic. Trump wants us to pull our interests out of other countries and concentrate on the home front.


I'm not saying that he is Hitler incarnate. I certainly hope you are correct, but I also worry about the possibility. I don't think we all really know enough about Trump.

Re: Are We the Wiemar Republic About to Elect a Hitler? [Re: Irishguy] #1731243
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By the way that essay I cited was written back in 2006...

The basic premise to the article is that when a people grow tired of liberalism run amok, there is usually a right-wing backlash... And I certainly believe something of that nature is happening here...

People are pissed off and Trump is the pissed of candidate.

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I do understand what you are saying. Trump seems to be all over the map and unpredictable. The devil you know is better than the devil you don't know. With Cruz, I felt you knew what you were getting for better or for worse.

Trump seems to have many rabid, blind supporters. He could take a mask off and reveal he was Obama and it wouldn't change some people's stance of him. Of course I will vote for him in the general but I still feel uncomfortable with him.


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The Nazi party didn't win a majority either

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Any type of comparison of Hitler and Trump is ridiculous......I do agree that for many Trump is the pissed off vote, but I also think he will be a much better president for our economy and budget than Hillary by far.


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That's why we have a constitution that spells out the powers of each branch of government and a congress and supreme court to check those powers. Definitely not perfect but we are a long way from a dictator taking over without violence. We could be headed that way but not in the next 8 years.


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Originally Posted By: JAT50
The Nazi party didn't win a majority either


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_July_1932

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Bottom line: Are voters scared at what Trump MIGHT do enough to avoid him knowing what Clinton WILL do if she's in power?

The Clintons have been building a network at high, mid, state and even smaller levels for 50 years. They have friends with friends with connections and money from their college days to now. None of this is accidental. They're calling in all chits, getting ready for massive payback in the next eight years and America will be far worse off than we are now.

Trump may not be a good guy, or the best guy, or hell even someone voters would want to see. But anyone who believes he will do more damage than Clinton is, IMO, not thinking clearly. We KNOW what she has said, done and plans to do, and it ain't good.

But, vote against Trump out of principle and let Clinton skate in. That'll be fine.


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Originally Posted By: charlie
That's why we have a constitution that spells out the powers of each branch of government and a congress and supreme court to check those powers. Definitely not perfect but we are a long way from a dictator taking over without violence. We could be headed that way but not in the next 8 years.



We indeed have that, so why are we so worried about Obama and Clinton seizing power? grin

I don't think that Trump is going to become dictator, but on the other hand there is a concern that a cult of personality such as himself could lead the country down the wrong path.

FDR, as great as he was in some people's eyes, lead the country about as far as it has ever been into socialism, yet he still had the same set of checks and balances [almost] as we do today.

I personally don't want us leaning too far to either the right or the left. And I certainly don't want to see us descend into demagoguery.

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Originally Posted By: Clem

Bottom line: Are voters scared at what Trump MIGHT do enough to avoid him knowing what Clinton WILL do if she's in power?

The Clintons have been building a network at high, mid, state and even smaller levels for 50 years. They have friends with friends with connections and money from their college days to now. None of this is accidental. They're calling in all chits, getting ready for massive payback in the next eight years and America will be far worse off than we are now.

Trump may not be a good guy, or the best guy, or hell even someone voters would want to see. But anyone who believes he will do more damage than Clinton is, IMO, not thinking clearly. We KNOW what she has said, done and plans to do, and it ain't good.

But, vote against Trump out of principle and let Clinton skate in. That'll be fine.


I'll be voting for him as the lesser of two evils, still that doesn't mean that I can't question his motives or ponder "what if" scenarios when/if he comes to power.

Let's face the truth, he is a narcissistic, egomaniac, who seems a little crazy at times...

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Interesting quotation:

Even though Hitler was a successful politician who took power in Germany by scapegoating Jews, Communists and many other groups, Alan Levine, political science professor at American University, says that demagogues only exist in a democracy.

Their rise occurs before a dictatorship is successful, and so in his opinion dictators like Hitler do not fit the bill as demagogues.

“A demagogue exists in a democratic contest and maintains a technical legitimacy through winning votes. A dictator doesn’t need that kind of legitimacy. Dictators are worse than demagogues, who still operate in a democratic system,” Levine said. “To the extent that which our politicians ignore the Constitution, and don’t feel bound by the Constitution, that lays the stages for the coming of a demagogue.”

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Personally, I am not really worried about it. As a matter of fact I would just as soon see the bottom drop out now anyway because it is coming eventually no matter who we elect. Might as well get it over with now while I am still young enough to do what will need to be done rather than leave it to my kids.

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That's why we have a constitution that spells out the powers of each branch of government and a congress and supreme court to check those powers. Definitely not perfect but we are a long way from a dictator taking over without violence. We could be headed that way but not in the next 8 years.



We indeed have that, so why are we so worried about Obama and Clinton seizing power? grin

I don't think that Trump is going to become dictator, but on the other hand there is a concern that a cult of personality such as himself could lead the country down the wrong path.

FDR, as great as he was in some people's eyes, lead the country about as far as it has ever been into socialism, yet he still had the same set of checks and balances [almost] as we do today.

I personally don't want us leaning too far to either the right or the left. And I certainly don't want to see us descend into demagoguery.

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still that doesn't mean that I can't question his motives or ponder "what if" scenarios when/if he comes to power.


Well, sure. We should do that with all elected officials instead of just offering undying fealty and belief that they're perfect in all ways.


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One of the first things I said about Trump many months ago during our Aldeer political arguments was that I personally aligned with lots of the rhetoric he speaks, BUT he's not constitutional. And THAT'S the essence of the comparison with Hitler (for example), that's where fascism comes from. Even if Trump does something that IS constitutional, it's seemingly just coincidence. A man who isn't restricted by and mindful of the constitution, while mostly being aligned with your beliefs, can (and often will) do things that aren't aligned with them too. THAT is my fear with Trump.

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Originally Posted By: Clem


But, vote against Trump out of principle and let Clinton skate in. That'll be fine.




The people who will do this and tell you straight faced "I'm voting my CONSCIENCE!" or "If I vote for Trump we will never get the (Unicorn) true libertarian third party candidate we deserve!".

Those people DESERVE to live under Clinton rule for 8 years because that's essentially what they are voting for. I can't comprehend that level of head up your ass. It's stupid enough in a primary to throw your vote away but in a general election when you KNOW BETTER! What the @&$! Are they thinking?

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Originally Posted By: charlie
Personally, I am not really worried about it. As a matter of fact I would just as soon see the bottom drop out now anyway because it is coming eventually no matter who we elect. Might as well get it over with now while I am still young enough to do what will need to be done rather than leave it to my kids.

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That's why we have a constitution that spells out the powers of each branch of government and a congress and supreme court to check those powers. Definitely not perfect but we are a long way from a dictator taking over without violence. We could be headed that way but not in the next 8 years.



We indeed have that, so why are we so worried about Obama and Clinton seizing power? grin

I don't think that Trump is going to become dictator, but on the other hand there is a concern that a cult of personality such as himself could lead the country down the wrong path.

FDR, as great as he was in some people's eyes, lead the country about as far as it has ever been into socialism, yet he still had the same set of checks and balances [almost] as we do today.

I personally don't want us leaning too far to either the right or the left. And I certainly don't want to see us descend into demagoguery.


Exactly how I feel about it.


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