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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Big AL 76] #1729042
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I have said my piece and I'm done with the conversation. There will always be people who complain about price. Just like I'm upset with Costa because I feel their sunglasses are overpriced. When mine broke last time I figured I'd hold out till they dropped their price. 2 years later I bought their product for $50 more than what they were before I held out. Turns out the Costa didn't really miss my money during my hold out. Same is true for everything.

If there is a major drop in lease rates, so be it. I don't make the prices. The market does.

MW, I hope you find what you are looking for.

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Big AL 76] #1729085
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I shot Reb a pm about a piece of property they have available. By the next day, he answered all my questions. If Rayonier produces the tract I want for the price I can justify spending, I would lease from them. I was just stating that I thought that was a high price for that piece of property, but it is there property and they can lease it for what they want. If someone will pay it, it is worth it to them

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: lefthorn] #1729109
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Originally Posted By: lefthorn
I shot Reb a pm about a piece of property they have available. By the next day, he answered all my questions. If Rayonier produces the tract I want for the price I can justify spending, I would lease from them. I was just stating that I thought that was a high price for that piece of property, but it is there property and they can lease it for what they want. If someone will pay it, it is worth it to them


I have leased from them and I agree they have high lease rates but in my opinion the customer service and response time with this company is really good. Everyone will never be satisfied all at once. Either you pay the price to lease property and possibly have a better hunting experience or you don't. Even though they market leases at a high rate all the tracks are leased out every season so like it or not it's good marketing.


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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Rebelman] #1729114
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Originally Posted By: Rebelman

Originally Posted By: bigt
IMO at least in SW Alabama there is not a piece of property I have ever seen or heard of that would justify my first year lease price be $10 acre. It might well get there after many years of hunting and invested improvements, but no way the first year......


You are entitled to your opinion but you just don't get it. The market dictates the price. Outside of mobile or Washington county, you'd be hard press to find another county in sw Alabama with an average price per acre below $10. Fact is, anything worth hunting is worth $10/ac.

We are both entitled to our opinion but I assure you I get it. I understand the market and the fact that most large timber companies unlike the smaller family run timber companies of the past do not care about long term lease relationships. They are only concerned with the most money they can squeeze out of a tract and like I referenced above I do understand that there are plenty of one and done lease holders that will pay that price at least once searching for that awesome hunting land they always dream about. As far as the rest of SW Alabama counties I know of tracts leased or available lease for an average of $8 in Baldwin, Choctaw, Escambia and Conecuh counties. I will agree with you that any tract with a " proven" history of hunting success would be worth $10 acre,but just because the market is currently producing $10 acre on a certain tract it does not mean it's worth it.


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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Rebelman] #1729116
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Originally Posted By: Rebelman
If you had calls and emails unreturned I apologize. That is not what I want to hear. We work extremely hard to return every single lead. To the point that we have engaged in the use of sales force which helps us record every single call to ensure we attempt to reconnect. If you will forward me your email attempt I will get to the bottom of it.

As for that particular property, I don't see how a club can go a season and not see a single deer. I simply don't believe it. I'm not calling you a liar. Just saying that is hard to believe. We own 80k acres contiguous in that area and I didn't hear any other complaints. It was a hot season through December but no one else claimed to not see a single deer.

As far as our customer relations, we had a 92% retention rate last year. That isn't by accident. Again, we work hard at what we do. I bet no other 'timber company' invited every single club to a tournament style clay shoot last year along with dinner.

I am pretty sure he did not say they didn't see a deer. He said they didn't shoot any. People generally do not pay $10 an acre to shoot a few does or a couple of spikes or four points or at least I hope not. Like I referenced when people start out paying high lease rates there is and should the expectation that the hunting is going to be pretty good from the start not on the same par as public land hunting.


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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: lefthorn] #1729119
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Originally Posted By: lefthorn
I shot Reb a pm about a piece of property they have available. By the next day, he answered all my questions. If Rayonier produces the tract I want for the price I can justify spending, I would lease from them. I was just stating that I thought that was a high price for that piece of property, but it is there property and they can lease it for what they want. If someone will pay it, it is worth it to them

I agree. In no way is anything I have posted directed at Reb or the company he works for. I have a few friends that are also foresters that do the same thing he does everyday and I totally understand he is just doing his job. If there was ever a tract that Rayonier had that was in the price range I thought the land was worth I wouldn't hesitate to do so....


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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: bigt] #1729178
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Originally Posted By: bigt
[quote=Rebelmanaccident. Again, we work hard at what we do. I bet no other 'timber company' invited every single club to a tournament style clay shoot last year along with dinner.

I am pretty sure he did not say they didn't see a deer. He said they didn't shoot any. People generally do not pay $10 an acre to shoot a few does or a couple of spikes or four points or at least I hope not. Like I referenced when people start out paying high lease rates there is and should the expectation that the hunting is going to be pretty good from the start not on the same par as public land hunting. [/quote]

To be clear, ten members of the now defunct hunt club that leased that tract did not see a single deer. So yes neither I nor any other member saw a doe or buck or anything deer or turkey could be harvested. I couldn't believe it but it was true myself until sat all day on multiple days and saw nothing.

Second, I never got an answer to emails I sent through the Rayonier system after setting up an account. Perhaps issue with their internal system. It had name of managers from drop down menu to send an inquiry. Could be it didn't work

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: mw2015] #1729195
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Originally Posted By: mw2015
Originally Posted By: bigt
[quote=Rebelmanaccident. Again, we work hard at what we do. I bet no other 'timber company' invited every single club to a tournament style clay shoot last year along with dinner.



I am pretty sure he did not say they didn't see a deer. He said they didn't shoot any. People generally do not pay $10 an acre to shoot a few does or a couple of spikes or four points or at least I hope not. Like I referenced when people start out paying high lease rates there is and should the expectation that the hunting is going to be pretty good from the start not on the same par as public land hunting.


To be clear, ten members of the now defunct hunt club that leased that tract did not see a single deer. So yes neither I nor any other member saw a doe or buck or anything deer or turkey could be harvested. I couldn't believe it but it was true myself until sat all day on multiple days and saw nothing.

Second, I never got an answer to emails I sent through the Rayonier system after setting up an account. Perhaps issue with their internal system. It had name of managers from drop down menu to send an inquiry. Could be it didn't work [/quote]



Man I hate to hear you guys had that kind of season but could be another byproduct of these over priced leases. I know of people that after they figure out it is not worth what they paid and know they ain't keeping it they try to get their money's worth by shooting everything they can.......

Last edited by bigt; 05/01/16 04:39 PM.

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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: bigt] #1729215
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Originally Posted By: bigt
Originally Posted By: mw2015
Originally Posted By: bigt
[quote=Rebelmanaccident. Again, we work hard at what we do. I bet no other 'timber company' invited every single club to a tournament style clay shoot last year along with dinner.



I am pretty sure he did not say they didn't see a deer. He said they didn't shoot any. People generally do not pay $10 an acre to shoot a few does or a couple of spikes or four points or at least I hope not. Like I referenced when people start out paying high lease rates there is and should the expectation that the hunting is going to be pretty good from the start not on the same par as public land hunting.


To be clear, ten members of the now defunct hunt club that leased that tract did not see a single deer. So yes neither I nor any other member saw a doe or buck or anything deer or turkey could be harvested. I couldn't believe it but it was true myself until sat all day on multiple days and saw nothing.

Second, I never got an answer to emails I sent through the Rayonier system after setting up an account. Perhaps issue with their internal system. It had name of managers from drop down menu to send an inquiry. Could be it didn't work




Man I hate to hear you guys had that kind of season but could be another byproduct of these over priced leases. I know of people that after they figure out it is not worth what they paid and know they ain't keeping it they try to get their money's worth by shooting everything they can....... [/quote]

It was bizarre big t. Not my normal experience & to be fair I've been in clubs in past on other Rayonier property that was good. All expected to see more and like u say none wanted to just kill does & smaller deer. The pres kept talking about big bucks but none of us saw anything legal we could shoot or stuff you don't shoot like fawns. Only thing property offered was chance to get bit by cottonmouth or copperhead. Even on perfect wind days knowing I got in quiet, there was nothing. To be clear my gripe about not getting info on tracts from Rayonier was last year and had nothing to do with Rebelman. Anytime I asked him for info I got it. If I had inquired with rebelman last year I have no doubt my questions would have been answered.

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Big AL 76] #1729284
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Reb went out of his way last year to answer all my questions and emails. It just wasn't feasible to lease the property I looked at, but he did his job in a very professional way.

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: gatorbait154] #1729375
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So basicly , your saying = He a good guy, that works for an average company? rofl

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Big AL 76] #1729388
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Word to the wise on Westervelt property - ask several questions up front prior to leasing a tract. Be specific... questions like "what is the scheduled timber harvest for the tract", "does anyone have the right to cross the tract to access adjoining land", etc. Not saying the answers will necessarily be the truth - but at least you asked.

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: shooters] #1729402
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Originally Posted By: shooters
So basicly , your saying = He a good guy, that works for an average company? rofl


I don't know anything about his company but I can tell you Brad (Reb) is a great guy and a true professional. I wouldn't hesitate to do business with him site unseen. If he says it, you can bank on it being truthful.


Originally Posted by CNC
Ya'll are just overthinking it now

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: shooters] #1729450
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Originally Posted By: shooters
So basicly , your saying = He a good guy, that works for an average company? rofl

That about sums it up wink


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Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Big AL 76] #1730087
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why don't y'all all sign up for this. That's why they charge these high prices because some fool will pay it.

Re: Westervelt (new)land posted [Re: Ben2] #1733876
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Originally Posted By: Ben2
Why don't yall that are paying the increased prices ask the leasing company if they can drop the rate for you. They will drop it and keep their happy tenant or have to start over at the lower rate with a new tenant. Seems like current lease holder has all the bargaining power.


Negative. We have a lease with a timber company that we've had for over 30 years, and we take better care of it than land we own. If the "you guys are out-pricing us" conversation comes up they are quick to remind you they can easily lease it to someone else if we don't want it.

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