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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: MorningAir]
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04/30/16 11:16 AM
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The fun of hunting and being part of the outdoors is gone for alot of people because of the lack of game, not because of too many regulations.
You have some points, but increasing the regulations to cater to the few so they have the experience they want at the expense of others through government mandate. And way overblown expectations of what you are supposed to see on greenfields "hunting" or bait thanks to over commercialized TV marketing is what is doing the most damage. In other words, regulations and pecker size mentality.
Last edited by Fun4all; 04/30/16 11:17 AM.
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Fun4all]
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04/30/16 11:39 AM
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increasing the regulations to cater to the few so they have the experience they want at the expense of others through government mandate. How did it change your experience?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
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04/30/16 12:57 PM
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increasing the regulations to cater to the few so they have the experience they want at the expense of others through government mandate. How did it change your experience? Let's see,there are too many deer, in rides QDMA (to make money), change the regulations to kill every doe you see because you can never kill too many does, regulations change to kill 2 does per day for the whole season. Too many young bucks are being killed, so again QDMA rides in, got to stop killing all of those bucks, regulations change to you are allowed 3 bucks. Well how do we know if people are not killing more than 3 bucks in rides the TV watching trophy squad, change the regulations to require filling out a piece of paper for every buck you kill. Still killing too many young bucks because everybody has an uncle that has a cousin that's wife heard that her girlfriends boyfriend heard that a guy that he works with kills 34 spikes every season and just prints out new forms to fill out, regulations change to require that hunters check in with the government to verify that they are legal. Oops, there was an uproar over that little government regulation, time to back track and lay low. Oh my goodness, too many does are being killed, so the government goes into full tilt mode to fix the problem with more regulations, this time let's start micro managing more, but let's not forget to listen to the whiner club that want to make killing deer in Alabama easier and add baiting to the ways of killing deer (notice the term hunting wasn't used) and oh yeah let's make the season longer. And by the way don't forget this time we are going to force the hunter to sign a piece of paper and have the government verify that the deer they killed was in fact legal according to their records or else the government will make them pay! Yeah, regulations and appeasing the few don't have any impact. Don't know what I was thinking. If I could only find an app for that!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Fun4all]
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04/30/16 01:05 PM
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increasing the regulations to cater to the few so they have the experience they want at the expense of others through government mandate. How did it change your experience? Let's see,there are too many deer, in rides QDMA (to make money), change the regulations to kill every doe you see because you can never kill too many does, regulations change to kill 2 does per day for the whole season. Too many young bucks are being killed, so again QDMA rides in, got to stop killing all of those bucks, regulations change to you are allowed 3 bucks. Well how do we know if people are not killing more than 3 bucks in rides the TV watching trophy squad, change the regulations to require filling out a piece of paper for every buck you kill. Still killing too many young bucks because everybody has an uncle that has a cousin that's wife heard that her girlfriends boyfriend heard that a guy that he works with kills 34 spikes every season and just prints out new forms to fill out, regulations change to require that hunters check in with the government to verify that they are legal. Oops, there was an uproar over that little government regulation, time to back track and lay low. Oh my goodness, too many does are being killed, so the government goes into full tilt mode to fix the problem with more regulations, this time let's start micro managing more, but let's not forget to listen to the whiner club that want to make killing deer in Alabama easier and add baiting to the ways of killing deer (notice the term hunting wasn't used) and oh yeah let's make the season longer. And by the way don't forget this time we are going to force the hunter to sign a piece of paper and have the government verify that the deer they killed was in fact legal according to their records or else the government will make them pay! Yeah, regulations and appeasing the few don't have any impact. Don't know what I was thinking. If I could only find an app for that! I don't know what you're thinking, either. I asked how it changed YOUR experience. Not your girlfriend's cousin's uncle.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: mike35549]
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04/30/16 01:50 PM
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Hunting is pricing itself out of a lot of peoples market, and kids have too many other things to occupy their time. Look for a continued steady decrease in hunting licenses sold, as it increasingly becomes a rich trophy hunter's pastime. I agree prices for a decent place to hunt where you can actually see deer when you hunt and have at least a 50/50 chance at killing a decent buck has become so expensive the average guy cant afford it even if he can find it. I know this because i make and spend more than the average man on deer hunting and am on the verge of being priced out of decent deer hunting. This is me. Every year I think about getting a license, start looking for a place I can afford, and realize I just can't pay the prices to not be on overpressured public land.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: whitehevan]
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04/30/16 02:41 PM
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Hunting is pricing itself out of a lot of peoples market, and kids have too many other things to occupy their time. Look for a continued steady decrease in hunting licenses sold, as it increasingly becomes a rich trophy hunter's pastime. I agree prices for a decent place to hunt where you can actually see deer when you hunt and have at least a 50/50 chance at killing a decent buck has become so expensive the average guy cant afford it even if he can find it. I know this because i make and spend more than the average man on deer hunting and am on the verge of being priced out of decent deer hunting. This is me. Every year I think about getting a license, start looking for a place I can afford, and realize I just can't pay the prices to not be on overpressured public land. ^^^^^^^ This is the biggest problem! Not a few regulations that the whiny minority don't like
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: MTeague]
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04/30/16 03:14 PM
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I don't think that this has been mentioned, but all of us Boomers have or will soon become exempt. The over 65 set includes a lot of hunters.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Mbrock]
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04/30/16 04:43 PM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. I could add to this but there is no point. Where I started hunting in TN there was no deer much to speak of. Small game was what I knew. A different kind of deer hunting got my blood flowing.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: AlabamaSwamper]
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05/01/16 05:20 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. I could add to this but there is no point. Where I started hunting in TN there was no deer much to speak of. Small game was what I knew. A different kind of deer hunting got my blood flowing. Too many other choices available today. They all compete for the same kids. Just look at Baseball and softball (spring ball, fall ball and travel ball etc.......)
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Mbrock]
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05/01/16 07:20 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo!
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Remington270]
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05/01/16 07:38 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo! I didn't grow up hunting with other people. I've mostly hunted by myself since I was about 8 years old. I wouldn't go back and change that if I could. Outside of hunting with my Dad, I still hunt alone.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: N2TRKYS]
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05/01/16 08:00 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo! I didn't grow up hunting with other people. I've mostly hunted by myself since I was about 8 years old. I wouldn't go back and change that if I could. Outside of hunting with my Dad, I still hunt alone. You're lucky to have had exposure I guess. Most kids today grow up in neighborhoods in cities and they can't just grab the .410 by the back door and go shoot squirrels. MBrock's main point, too, was that a deer shouldn't be the first thing a kid shoots. Deer hunting is the apex of the hunting pyramid.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Remington270]
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05/01/16 08:33 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo! I didn't grow up hunting with other people. I've mostly hunted by myself since I was about 8 years old. I wouldn't go back and change that if I could. Outside of hunting with my Dad, I still hunt alone. You're lucky to have had exposure I guess. Most kids today grow up in neighborhoods in cities and they can't just grab the .410 by the back door and go shoot squirrels. MBrock's main point, too, was that a deer shouldn't be the first thing a kid shoots. Deer hunting is the apex of the hunting pyramid. I still think access to quality hunting land that the average person can afford is the main problem. If the average Joe had more access he would be able to take his kids hunting more for all game....the lack of game is the second biggest problem as I see it. Twenty years ago there were just more deer, turkeys, quail and ect. It was easier to keep kids interested when they were seeing plenty of game, but now it is just plain boring most of the time which is why a lot of adults are deciding their money could be spent better doing something else like fishing
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
[Re: Remington270]
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05/01/16 08:38 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo! I didn't grow up hunting with other people. I've mostly hunted by myself since I was about 8 years old. I wouldn't go back and change that if I could. Outside of hunting with my Dad, I still hunt alone. You're lucky to have had exposure I guess. Most kids today grow up in neighborhoods in cities and they can't just grab the .410 by the back door and go shoot squirrels. MBrock's main point, too, was that a deer shouldn't be the first thing a kid shoots. Deer hunting is the apex of the hunting pyramid. I couldn't do that out my back door, either.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: How Many License's Are Being Sold Annually?
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05/01/16 09:36 AM
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The biggest problem I see is we no longer have families who hunt as a lifestyle anymore. That's exactly what it used to be. We grew up small game hunting everything that was legal, graduated into large game, and was something the entire family got into. Those mentors are quickly passing away and kids today are not learning patience, woodsmanship, and the enjoyment of killing squirrels, doves, and rabbits at the age of 3. They are being thrown into a shooting house at 11 and expected to like that. Sorry, that ain't how to recruit hunters. Bingo! I didn't grow up hunting with other people. I've mostly hunted by myself since I was about 8 years old. I wouldn't go back and change that if I could. Outside of hunting with my Dad, I still hunt alone. No one in my family hunted either. I've tried to get my nephews into it, even put them on game, ducks, dove, squirrels and deer. For most it was a one time deal and wouldn't go back. My 2 BIL's grew up hunting with their families but haven't gone in years. They really have no interest any longer.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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