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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1649825
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What good would a physical tag do unless you were forced to turn it in at the processor? How would the DCNR know how many tags were used? They can't set up check stations to verify the tag, so what use would it be. We'd basically have the same limits we have now.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1649830
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It would be another revenue outlet for them.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1649834
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I guess with no real way to enforce it the outcome would go like this: Honest hunters and hunters who really care about the resource would tighten up a little and do the best they could to obey the law while those who don't care about anything would have even more deer to poach and waste. More of the world as we know it

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: jwalker77] #1649858
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Originally Posted By: jwalker77
I guess with no real way to enforce it the outcome would go like this: Honest hunters and hunters who really care about the resource would tighten up a little and do the best they could to obey the law while those who don't care about anything would have even more deer to poach and waste. More of the world as we know it


U r starting to get it!

And, instead of hiring GW's to replace the ones that we are lacking now......they will divert the funds to help pay for the tags and whine about the Legislature 'mis-using' their money!

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1649885
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So, one more time for us slow learners: What's the reasoning behind less than 3 bucks per person per year but no further restriction on doe harvest?

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: jwalker77] #1649950
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Originally Posted By: jwalker77
So, one more time for us slow learners: What's the reasoning behind less than 3 bucks per person per year but no further restriction on doe harvest?
let me break it down for you. This state has a select few who believe you should only kill a limited number of bucks because they believe everyone who hunts should be trophy hunters. They believe the deer i kill in north alabama effects the bucks size on their property in south Alabama. As for the doe part, they don't believe anyone should be able to tell them how many can kill and what date they can kill them. I know, one contradicts the other but that is pretty much how is goes.


I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650015
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I have the information now. Still don't make any sense.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650067
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I hope if the state requires tags it will be for both sexes.

I only support it as a management tool to accurately determine what we are killing as a state.

My thoughts, set the total number allowed and let it be hunters choice. If the number is five then let the hunter kill 5 bucks if that is how he wants to fill his tags.

I'm getting so doe shy that I would prefer to fill my freezer with spikes to be honest.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650131
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I'd love to see the state go to a tag system!
3 bucks 6 does given with the purchase of each license.
All lifetime license holders would present their license at any place of business that sold license and receive a free book of tags. Any child wishing to hunt could either use their supervising hunters tags or pass a hunters education course and present their CC# in exchange for their personal tags until they are 16 when license are required.
Seems like common sense but unfortunately that doesn't exist in our state government.
All mom&pop stores could be tag stations and every tagged deer reported by the store to the state would get a $1 issuance just like they do when they sell a license.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Stikman] #1650135
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
I'd love to see the state go to a tag system!
3 bucks 6 does given with the purchase of each license.
All lifetime license holders would present their license at any place of business that sold license and receive a free book of tags. Any child wishing to hunt could either use their supervising hunters tags or pass a hunters education course and present their CC# in exchange for their personal tags until they are 16 when license are required.
Seems like common sense but unfortunately that doesn't exist in our state government.
All mom&pop stores could be tag stations and every tagged deer reported by the store to the state would get a $1 issuance just like they do when they sell a license.


How do the people not required to have a license get theirs?? The landowner?? The military guy home on leave?? The seniors??

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: MTeague] #1650167
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Originally Posted By: MTeague
Originally Posted By: jwalker77
So, one more time for us slow learners: What's the reasoning behind less than 3 bucks per person per year but no further restriction on doe harvest?
let me break it down for you. This state has a select few who believe you should only kill a limited number of bucks because they believe everyone who hunts should be trophy hunters. They believe the deer i kill in north alabama effects the bucks size on their property in south Alabama. As for the doe part, they don't believe anyone should be able to tell them how many can kill and what date they can kill them. I know, one contradicts the other but that is pretty much how is goes.


On the flip side, you have folks (a lot of them post here) who think that what they see or don't see on their property is indicative of the entire state, so they want statewide restrictions that work only for them and their property.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650180
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I honestly don't believe the tags or restrictions are the problem. It's the fact that if something happens it will be a CHANGE. The change is the problem in my opinion. I've never heard anyone complain about all the states that have a tag or restriction system. Never heard anyone say " no way in hell I would hunt in the Midwest with that dang tag system they have". The truth is; Alabama's deer regs have been so liberal for so long, it's hard to think about it being any different. Outlaws will be outlaws but I don't think everyone is going to run around getting tags for other people and then using them. When I lived in Indiana 25 years ago they had tags. I never heard one complaint about it and never heard of a situation of someone getting there grandma a tag and using it. I'm sure that stuff happened but it's not like it was a big problem. I've hunted in 5 other states, all of which required tags and had more restrictions. I never thought twice about just buying the tags and hunting. I also saw more deer and better deer on average than I do while hunting here.
Fact is; folks just aren't too fond of change and many people will not impose change upon themselves. It does not mean those people are all outlaws and many of them may follow the new rules. I'm also not saying I want more regs but it does seem through all the comments on here during deer season that maybe something needs to happen. So many were commenting about seeing less deer and the people looking for clubs seem to be pretty high. Seems a lot of people aren't happy with their hunting the way it is but don't want the CHANGE that it may take to get it. They want to join the club that has more deer and better deer and leave things like they are. Chances are those clubs that have more and better have already made these restrictions on themselves and that's why they are better.
I usually don't comment much on these things but it seems a lot of folks are throwing everyone in the same pot of "it won't work because people are outlaws and the state don't have enough GWs" . Or the crowd that "doesnt want the govt making more decisions". I could agree with that crowd a little more but it seems sometimes that people are so resistant to change that even when it's needed it's hard for a group as a whole to make it without someone setting some rules for them.
In the end I am blessed to get to hunt and enjoy the outdoors. I do not want to have to jump through so many hoops to get to do it but I am willing to see if something else can work better than what we have. I don't have the answer to that but I am willing to listen and try something.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Stikman] #1650183
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Originally Posted By: Stikman
I'd love to see the state go to a tag system!
3 bucks 6 does given with the purchase of each license.
All lifetime license holders would present their license at any place of business that sold license and receive a free book of tags. Any child wishing to hunt could either use their supervising hunters tags or pass a hunters education course and present their CC# in exchange for their personal tags until they are 16 when license are required.
Seems like common sense but unfortunately that doesn't exist in our state government.
All mom&pop stores could be tag stations and every tagged deer reported by the store to the state would get a $1 issuance just like they do when they sell a license.


6 doe tags! That's the same as 100 or infinity.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650186
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Hunting is going to crap. Too many grown men crying about what the other guy is doing. Tags suck! Keep it like it is. I Hunted the tag system for years. And this is a fact! Outlaws are going to kill what they want when they want how they want and no New LAWS will help. What about the guys that actually hunt for meat. Not just a rack to show off! You know the reason 99% of us started hunting for some deer or hog meat and bear in my case. But in this New fast have it now age you suck if you don't kill a 150" buck every year and for God's sake you have to have the newest thundermag with a 1,000$ scope on top to kill it with. And a 10,000$ ATV to pull it out with. Sure give the state some more of the $$ buy some extra Tags! All this is is a way to price the working man out of hunting. Remember when a Dad could throw on some fatigues a old Orange hat and grab the old ought six and take his kid to the local woods kill a 4 point and be happy for it. Wow! Tags. And who cares if a guy kills 8 or 10 deer a year out the delta or a wma to feed his family that's wonderful! Don't make it a bigger pain to be able to hunt.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Randy74] #1650212
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Originally Posted By: Randy74
I honestly don't believe the tags or restrictions are the problem. It's the fact that if something happens it will be a CHANGE. The change is the problem in my opinion. I've never heard anyone complain about all the states that have a tag or restriction system. Never heard anyone say " no way in hell I would hunt in the Midwest with that dang tag system they have". The truth is; Alabama's deer regs have been so liberal for so long, it's hard to think about it being any different. Outlaws will be outlaws but I don't think everyone is going to run around getting tags for other people and then using them. When I lived in Indiana 25 years ago they had tags. I never heard one complaint about it and never heard of a situation of someone getting there grandma a tag and using it. I'm sure that stuff happened but it's not like it was a big problem. I've hunted in 5 other states, all of which required tags and had more restrictions. I never thought twice about just buying the tags and hunting. I also saw more deer and better deer on average than I do while hunting here.
Fact is; folks just aren't too fond of change and many people will not impose change upon themselves. It does not mean those people are all outlaws and many of them may follow the new rules. I'm also not saying I want more regs but it does seem through all the comments on here during deer season that maybe something needs to happen. So many were commenting about seeing less deer and the people looking for clubs seem to be pretty high. Seems a lot of people aren't happy with their hunting the way it is but don't want the CHANGE that it may take to get it. They want to join the club that has more deer and better deer and leave things like they are. Chances are those clubs that have more and better have already made these restrictions on themselves and that's why they are better.
I usually don't comment much on these things but it seems a lot of folks are throwing everyone in the same pot of "it won't work because people are outlaws and the state don't have enough GWs" . Or the crowd that "doesnt want the govt making more decisions". I could agree with that crowd a little more but it seems sometimes that people are so resistant to change that even when it's needed it's hard for a group as a whole to make it without someone setting some rules for them.
In the end I am blessed to get to hunt and enjoy the outdoors. I do not want to have to jump through so many hoops to get to do it but I am willing to see if something else can work better than what we have. I don't have the answer to that but I am willing to listen and try something.


Well said!! But when I listen to the proposed change, if any, I want a logical explanation of the change. I want them to have an idea of what they are trying to achieve. Not just change for the sake of change. That slip of paper now is a joke at best and serves no purpose. Between wear and tear I go through several a year myself and throw it away at the end with nothing accomplished.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Clem] #1650219
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Originally Posted By: Clem

Of course. Daughters, wives, mothers, stepmothers, sons, the neighbors ...

Won't be much trouble, jbc. They'll do it. Folks always figure out the get-arounds, just like now it's easy to pick up 10 regulation booklets or print off extra "harvest" reports and keep right on hunting.

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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650224
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So far, I've not read one single idea here that would improve a single thing.(Not that I think improvement is needed)But trust me, with all of the bitchin going around, they will make a CHANGE and anytime the monkeys in Montgomery make a change, it will be for the worse and it will cost us MORE! Thanks a lot you bunch of cry babies,, my middle finger to you!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: swampcracker] #1650245
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Originally Posted By: swampcracker
Hunting is going to crap. Too many grown men crying about what the other guy is doing. Tags suck! Keep it like it is. I Hunted the tag system for years. And this is a fact! Outlaws are going to kill what they want when they want how they want and no New LAWS will help. What about the guys that actually hunt for meat. Not just a rack to show off! You know the reason 99% of us started hunting for some deer or hog meat and bear in my case. But in this New fast have it now age you suck if you don't kill a 150" buck every year and for God's sake you have to have the newest thundermag with a 1,000$ scope on top to kill it with. And a 10,000$ ATV to pull it out with. Sure give the state some more of the $$ buy some extra Tags! All this is is a way to price the working man out of hunting. Remember when a Dad could throw on some fatigues a old Orange hat and grab the old ought six and take his kid to the local woods kill a 4 point and be happy for it. Wow! Tags. And who cares if a guy kills 8 or 10 deer a year out the delta or a wma to feed his family that's wonderful! Don't make it a bigger pain to be able to hunt.


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Re: Once we get tags... [Re: Remington270] #1650267
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There are already enough people that do not fill out there license when they kill a buck. I've heard of cases where people that filled their license just print off a new one. People are not going to do right. I believe that as a whole people want to kill bigger deer at least that is my goal and my 18 yr. old sons goal. The state needs some kind of regulation or some way to keep this in check,be it tags or check stations.We have to teach our kids and keep them interested in hunting hunting. Take a kid huntin and you want be huntin the kid.

Re: Once we get tags... [Re: jbc] #1650271
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Originally Posted By: jbc
Originally Posted By: swampcracker
Hunting is going to crap. Too many grown men crying about what the other guy is doing. Tags suck! Keep it like it is. I Hunted the tag system for years. And this is a fact! Outlaws are going to kill what they want when they want how they want and no New LAWS will help. What about the guys that actually hunt for meat. Not just a rack to show off! You know the reason 99% of us started hunting for some deer or hog meat and bear in my case. But in this New fast have it now age you suck if you don't kill a 150" buck every year and for God's sake you have to have the newest thundermag with a 1,000$ scope on top to kill it with. And a 10,000$ ATV to pull it out with. Sure give the state some more of the $$ buy some extra Tags! All this is is a way to price the working man out of hunting. Remember when a Dad could throw on some fatigues a old Orange hat and grab the old ought six and take his kid to the local woods kill a 4 point and be happy for it. Wow! Tags. And who cares if a guy kills 8 or 10 deer a year out the delta or a wma to feed his family that's wonderful! Don't make it a bigger pain to be able to hunt.


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LOL, it may be more like he is saying grow up, just my opinion though.


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