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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Fun4all]
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02/17/16 11:50 AM
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[quote=ValleyDawg][
First off, If a person leaves their license/ harvest record at home now under today's law they would legally have to go get it before putting the deer in their truck or face fines when they get pulled over. So that argument is kind of silly. That rule applies now without tags. Tags are usually attached to license/ harvest record. So if you have your license with you , you have your tags.
Im pretty sure you get a ticket if you don't have your license or harvest record with you while in the stand. And secondly how would you propose use that have life time licenses to get these tags. As states above if we cant control the outlaws from killing deer illegal now a tag system will not help.
You present your lifetime license at any store where licenses are sold and they give you, your harvest record/tags. Or call in and present your number and tags will be mailed to you. To your second point. I am not naive enough to think it will stop all outlaws. But there is a large number of guys that wouldnt take that extra deer or fifty if they knew the wardens were looking for tags. Right now there is no risk of getting caught once you go over the limit because you can print however many copies you want. With a tag system, once you use all your tags, if you have a deer in your truck you are running a BIG risk of getting caught. Can't stop them all but does that mean we shouldn't try? So would you want to make it illegal for those of us who clean our deer on the property? Because if you don't then those folks would most likely get away with it because not all game wardens set at processing places to check harvest records. Yes, if you clean the deer in place you would "get away with it". It's not about "getting away with it", it's about a system to keep people honest Yep, gotta keep honest people honest! While on the other hand, dishonest people it will not impact. The perfect reason! Aren't all laws this way? Rape, murder, everything?
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: 87dixieboy]
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02/17/16 11:50 AM
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I understand that but my point is if those that are already dishonest are not going to change just because tags are implemented. A dishonest person will always find a way to buck the system so why make everyone else pay. Its the same thing as gun control in my eyes. The tag gets the dishonest person busted
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: jbc]
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02/17/16 11:54 AM
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I understand that but my point is if those that are already dishonest are not going to change just because tags are implemented. A dishonest person will always find a way to buck the system so why make everyone else pay. Its the same thing as gun control in my eyes. The tag gets the dishonest person busted Since most dishonest people and crooks get caught.  I just don't think im gonna be convinced it will work that is all. But hey im all for a better deer herd. Doesn't really bother me either way as I only kill 1-2 deer a year anyway.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Remington270]
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02/17/16 12:03 PM
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A tag system isnt gonna change chit for illegal hunters. And every state I hunted with that had tags..they are printed out and of a thicker material then paper...fiber reinforced I believe,..THEY COST MONEY.
For a private business...a buck or two...but get the GOVT involved and add $15 to your license costs.
The law of unintended consequences. And the year after, theyll add $2...the next year a dollar. WHY? because that is what GOVT does.
We dont need more GOVT in any aspect of our lives I feel. Id be fine with a whole lot LESS!
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Remington270]
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02/17/16 12:24 PM
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Y'all don't see anything positive coming from tags?
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Remington270]
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02/17/16 12:27 PM
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In some ways I can see a positive but on the other hand I see a lot of negatives as well. I could care less with a rifle but where I hunt i'll be danged if I want anyone telling me what I can and cant shoot with a bow. The shots are so few and far in between if a doe walks by im gone shoot her. Id rather shoot a doe with my bow that some little buck.
Only accurate rifles are interesting.
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: jbc]
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02/17/16 12:29 PM
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[quote=ValleyDawg][
First off, If a person leaves their license/ harvest record at home now under today's law they would legally have to go get it before putting the deer in their truck or face fines when they get pulled over. So that argument is kind of silly. That rule applies now without tags. Tags are usually attached to license/ harvest record. So if you have your license with you , you have your tags.
Im pretty sure you get a ticket if you don't have your license or harvest record with you while in the stand. And secondly how would you propose use that have life time licenses to get these tags. As states above if we cant control the outlaws from killing deer illegal now a tag system will not help.
You present your lifetime license at any store where licenses are sold and they give you, your harvest record/tags. Or call in and present your number and tags will be mailed to you. To your second point. I am not naive enough to think it will stop all outlaws. But there is a large number of guys that wouldnt take that extra deer or fifty if they knew the wardens were looking for tags. Right now there is no risk of getting caught once you go over the limit because you can print however many copies you want. With a tag system, once you use all your tags, if you have a deer in your truck you are running a BIG risk of getting caught. Can't stop them all but does that mean we shouldn't try? So would you want to make it illegal for those of us who clean our deer on the property? Because if you don't then those folks would most likely get away with it because not all game wardens set at processing places to check harvest records. Yes, if you clean the deer in place you would "get away with it". It's not about "getting away with it", it's about a system to keep people honest Yep, gotta keep honest people honest! While on the other hand, dishonest people it will not impact. The perfect reason! Aren't all laws this way? Rape, murder, everything? Nope, you are not required by the government to do anything other than not commit rape, murder, etc. Unless they can figure out how to make you start having sex and making sure you have a tag you can put on your partner before you have sex, cause if you don't your raping them and that would be against the law! You are right about one law, Obamacare. You have to buy insurance or you are fined. Wow, sounds a lot like a tagging system!
"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: 87dixieboy]
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02/17/16 02:51 PM
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In some ways I can see a positive but on the other hand I see a lot of negatives as well. I could care less with a rifle but where I hunt i'll be danged if I want anyone telling me what I can and cant shoot with a bow. The shots are so few and far in between if a doe walks by im gone shoot her. Id rather shoot a doe with my bow that some little buck. What would that have to do with anything. The tags are usually x amount for all seasons. So lets say the tags were 3 bucks and 6 does for the season, you can kill those 9 deer with whatever you want. If you wannakill a doe with a bow go ahead, it just counts toward your doe tags. Not sure anyone is telling you what you can or can't shoot with a bow. Like I posted before. States like texas and arkansas print the tags on your license and their license with tags is already CHEAPER than an alabama license. Tags are not gonna cause license prices to sky rocket. I have hunted with tags and it was never really a burden to fill out a piece of paper and tag it onthe deer. Never bothered me one bit. I guess that must make me some sort of communist from the way some of these guys are talkin 
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Remington270]
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02/17/16 03:03 PM
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this is a bunch of BS speculation about more govt in our lives that we do not need. More programs to help fix a problem that arent going to fix crap. Just like Obozo care! I heard some lib on TV complaining now there are 35 million people without healthcare ...but wait..I thought that was the number BEFORE my expensive premiums and $12,800 deductable. Oh ..I guess that didnt fix chit..but you all have the answer..more govt and TAGS! That will fix everything. if you want freakin tags so much, just make one out and attach it to your dayum deer. Dont make the rest of US do it cause you think its great~! Im outta here. SMDH. 
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/16 03:07 PM
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You said intelligent in this thread  I'm out...
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: 87dixieboy]
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02/17/16 03:23 PM
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You "could NOT care less". If you could care less it wouldn't mean much to you
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: NightHunter]
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02/17/16 03:33 PM
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You said intelligent in this thread I'm out... Nighthunter! I know you're intelligent in real life! What has the experience been in other states? Is it "worth it" in your opinion?
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Hogwild]
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02/17/16 03:43 PM
02/17/16 03:43 PM
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Who is gonna catch all these people with these deer with no tags?
We have Counties with NO Game Wardens and a BUNCH more with only one!!!!
We have Laws, we have Regulations and we have Limits.
All we need is feet on the ground ENFORCEMENT of them!
And don't even get me started on folks complaining about the lack of deer that do not want to give up their ability to shoot the 1st doe they see.........
The Government cannot fix stupid.
Y'all LOVE to criticize!
But, guess what?
Most of the folks against Tags and for INTELLIGENT doe harvest had MUCH BETTER Seasons than you did!!!! Truth. Someone earlier in the thread suggested setting up checkpoints to catch violators who killed deer without tagging them. My question is, who the heck is going to run the checkpoints? We can't even get a game warden to answer the phone when we call him with a trespasser on our property. Never returned the call when we left him a message.
"You think I care? Roll Damn Tide"
Have you tried Google?
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: hunterbuck]
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02/17/16 03:48 PM
02/17/16 03:48 PM
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Who is gonna catch all these people with these deer with no tags?
We have Counties with NO Game Wardens and a BUNCH more with only one!!!!
We have Laws, we have Regulations and we have Limits.
All we need is feet on the ground ENFORCEMENT of them!
And don't even get me started on folks complaining about the lack of deer that do not want to give up their ability to shoot the 1st doe they see.........
The Government cannot fix stupid.
Y'all LOVE to criticize!
But, guess what?
Most of the folks against Tags and for INTELLIGENT doe harvest had MUCH BETTER Seasons than you did!!!! Truth. Someone earlier in the thread suggested setting up checkpoints to catch violators who killed deer without tagging them. My question is, who the heck is going to run the checkpoints? We can't even get a game warden to answer the phone when we call him with a trespasser on our property. Never returned the call when we left him a message. I went through a game warden and sherif run checkpoint this year. Highway 82 and old pike road intercection
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: Remington270]
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02/17/16 04:08 PM
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You said intelligent in this thread I'm out... Nighthunter! I know you're intelligent in real life! What has the experience been in other states? Is it "worth it" in your opinion? I shouldn't have gotten involved. I just wanted to poke at Danny. If you have questions you know how to get in touch with me.
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Re: Once we get tags...
[Re: NightHunter]
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02/17/16 04:15 PM
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Cheaters and low life, dishonest, immorally corrupt people will find a way to abuse any kind of system. Whether it's a tagging system or a harvest form, they will always figure out a way to abuse and scam it. If dissatisfaction over how the current system is abused is the reasoning behind wanting a tagging system, it won't be a cure all for the current program. You can't regulate morality & ethics. The honest man will comply and the cheater will cheat. Personally, I'd rather it stay just like it is now. My two cents for whatever its worth... 
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