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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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Several door prizes will be given away as well.
Gift cards to gundogsupply.com permatack has donated a very nice gift Cree head lamps A copy of Tracking Dogs for Finding Wounded Deer by John Jennehey
not to mention the crawfish lunch.
It isn't necessary to see a good tackle...you can hear it.
Knute Rockne
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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02/11/16 03:24 PM
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I'd really like to attend this. I've never trained a dog to track. What length leads? Is there a certain length or type I should use? When you say "harness" What type are you referring to?
Thanks!
"In Alabama, we prefer to kill small bucks on big properties"-Turkey247
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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It's really a preference. Most testing is done with a 10m lead. Some people use harnesses some people use GPS collars. It's just a preference.
It isn't necessary to see a good tackle...you can hear it.
Knute Rockne
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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02/12/16 01:11 AM
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Usually the best trackers start out on lead for 3 or 4 seasons. You have control over what the dog is doing especially when it's a pup. There will always be situations where the dog needs to be on lead (roads, property lines and such). Some states don't allow off lead tracking. Always better if the dog can track on lead. It can always be turned loose if needed to bay, cross big water or whatever.
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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OK. Thanks.
Next question.
I have two dogs to choose from to start with. Both are labs. One is my duck dog that I trained. 4yrs old. Not a world class dog by any means but is extremely obedient and understands the training process.
The other choice is my sisters dog that is a puppy and has no training.
So, experience(but not with blood tracking) or blank slate?
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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OK. Thanks.
Next question.
I have two dogs to choose from to start with. Both are labs. One is my duck dog that I trained. 4yrs old. Not a world class dog by any means but is extremely obedient and understands the training process.
The other choice is my sisters dog that is a puppy and has no training.
So, experience(but not with blood tracking) or blank slate? Blank slate would be my vote.
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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I think this is gonna be fun. Most people including mike who I've talked to many times abut tracking agree that a lead is the best for at least 3 seasons. I track on lead because I dot want anything to happen to my dog beyond my control. There have been like 4 track dogs do this year alkne due to cars.
That being said this is gonna be fun and not a bitch session about locations or fees. It's to help new guys out and train our dogs.
It isn't necessary to see a good tackle...you can hear it.
Knute Rockne
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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02/12/16 04:30 PM
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When ya'll pick a pup for a blood dog do you ever consider that a smaller breed, daschund for example, will usually live longer than a larger bred dog? I had a friend that use to train labs for blood dogs say that he would never try to train a hound as a blood dog, he would always prefer a bird dog (retriever) of some kind. I would think a Boykin Spaniel would be just right. I would like to get my Boykin into it, but he's 8 now. Probably too late
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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A.J., I did say "usually". I do know when my dog is on the right track, even when there is no blood, because I can "read" her when she's on lead. I wouldn't follow her a half-mile or more with no blood, as I often do, if I couldn't read her and trust her. A tracking lead in no way holds a dog back, except maybe swimming a pond, and in that case I just send someone to the other side to catch her when she comes out on the deer's trail. I do have permanent scars on my forearms from tracking on lead. One of my best dogs, Ol' Bob, never tracked a step off lead. This was before tracking collars. Sometimes under the right circumstances I allow my dog to track off lead for a mile or more. You have to if your going to bay up a neck shot, broken leg, etc. Your right about getting to a call quickly, it saves a lot of meat and the only tracks you need to wait a few hours on are gut shots and liver shots. You didn't say how many of the calls taken were put on the tailgate. Just saying it is nice to have a dog that can do both.
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Re: Alabama Blood Tracking Training Seminar March 12
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There’s definitely some differences in opinions out there concerning this topic. I’ve listened to both ways of thinking and ended up doing a combination of both. I see the points being made by both sides of the argument. I did the vast majority of Otis’s training in the first year on lead and then switched to an off lead method this tracking season. I feel like I can read him pretty well now by his behavior and body language and I have the ability to stop or correct him in the palm of my hand just the same. He still has a long way to go though and we’ll likely go back to doing some on lead training over the summer. I’d recommend to give both ways a try and then decide over time for yourself which way works better for you. Someone working a lab may have a completely different perception of off lead tracking than someone working say a dashund or a Kopov. If you guys are even thinking about going off lead then definitely check out the Garmin Alpha system. Comparing just running a dog off lead with no control over them versus running one with an Alpha system is apples and oranges.
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