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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1645892
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OP, there is entertainment value in buying a hand gun as well. I find it a lot more enjoyable to shoot my semi auto that my uncles revolver.

Re: Handgun question [Re: 87dixieboy] #1645903
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Originally Posted By: 87dixieboy
Notice I said standard situation. Most of the time you will be dealing with 1-2 ppl at a max distance of 5-10ft. I agree though always better to be prepared. I would say the most important think is to pick a gun you like that you can handle well and spend plenty of time shooting said gun.


I didn't know there was a standard situation. Just like you hear LEOs talk about a routine traffic stop, they don't.

Re: Handgun question [Re: jonlee126] #1645915
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Originally Posted By: jonlee126
Have you ever considered that one of the "small things that go wrong" for newbies is running out of ammo?


Yes, I have. And I've also considered the affects of 'limp wristing' a semi auto and clearing a stovepipe, FTE, FTF, accidentally dropping the mag out and/or other semi auto malfunction while under attack. YMMV


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1645926
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S&W 642 Airweight is hard to beat.

Simple and unmatched reliability in a good revolver. You can load it throw is in a draw, come back in 20 years, pull the trigger and it will go bang. I also agree you should never plan to get into a shootout and revolver is all the firepower you really likely need if you are moving away from the threat as you probably should be. I'm not going to act like a hero over someone's cash register money. I'm not going to stop a robbery. Not likely you'd be involved in an active murder. Only way I'm getting involved is if my life is threatened.

And if I'm going to stop a Terrorist... I'm not going to do it with a CC weapon. Probably need a little more firepower if someone's got an AK unless you just got a deathwish.




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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1645951
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Do me a favor. Reload your revolver. How long did that take? (Unload the revolver first please) Now sprint to your mailbox and back, then reload your revolver. How long did it take this time? Multiply that difference by 10 and that's how long it'll take you to reload it in an active shooter situation, if you are able to with all the adrenaline that'll be flowing.

I'll be d**ned if my last thought will be "if I only had one more round."

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. And never be outgunned.

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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1646424
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The only way you aren't going to be outgunned in an active shooter situation is if you carry an AR and several mags everywhere. People watch too much TV.

Carry the most effective weapon that you are comfortable using and carrying everyday. It might not even be the same gun in different situations. I carry both a pocket pistol and a Glock depending on the situation but I don't feel outgunned even when I'm carrying the Kahr P-380. It's likely more than I'll ever need.

Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1646579
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I am curious how many of the resident experts have ever had a gun pulled on them or have used a gun in self defense.

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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
The only way you aren't going to be outgunned in an active shooter situation is if you carry an AR and several mags everywhere. People watch too much TV.

Carry the most effective weapon that you are comfortable using and carrying everyday. It might not even be the same gun in different situations. I carry both a pocket pistol and a Glock depending on the situation but I don't feel outgunned even when I'm carrying the Kahr P-380. It's likely more than I'll ever need.


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Re: Handgun question [Re: doekiller] #1646593
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
I am curious how many of the resident experts have ever had a gun pulled on them or have used a gun in self defense.



I will be the first to say I haven't. And I hope I never have to


Only accurate rifles are interesting.
Re: Handgun question [Re: doekiller] #1646647
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
The only way you aren't going to be outgunned in an active shooter situation is if you carry an AR and several mags everywhere. People watch too much TV.

Carry the most effective weapon that you are comfortable using and carrying everyday. It might not even be the same gun in different situations. I carry both a pocket pistol and a Glock depending on the situation but I don't feel outgunned even when I'm carrying the Kahr P-380. It's likely more than I'll ever need.


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Re: Handgun question [Re: doekiller] #1646692
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
I am curious how many of the resident experts have ever had a gun pulled on them or have used a gun in self defense.



I'm no expert but I've been on both ends of this situation.


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1646833
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Close as I've ever been the guy standing next to me got shot in the face.

Hope that is close enough.

Nobody is an expert in a gun fight. In a civilian setting situation awareness is better than any training beyond basic operation and marksmanship.... and will save you from having to use your weapon almost 10 out of 10 times.


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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1647367
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Ruger sp 101.Training is vital for anyone.As far as ammo capacity Clint Smith of thunder ranch was onto something "Only hits count"


Only hits count.
Re: Handgun question [Re: Goatkiller] #1647712
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Originally Posted By: Goatkiller
Close as I've ever been the guy standing next to me got shot in the face.

Hope that is close enough.

Nobody is an expert in a gun fight. In a civilian setting situation awareness is better than any training beyond basic operation and marksmanship.... and will save you from having to use your weapon almost 10 out of 10 times.


Yep...The most sure way to win a gunfight is to never get in one to begin with. If something don't feel right, it probably ain't. Do what you can to avoid trouble and leave the area.

I've also had to use a gun in a self defense situations, all 3 times though no shots were fired, although I'm sure I could have been justified in doing so. The mere sight of the gun change the minds of the folks on the other side of the situation. The first the guy had an ice pick, the second the old saying about bringing a knife to a gunfight, was appropriate. The third, a guy started toward me with a tire tool.


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Re: Handgun question [Re: gundoc] #1648042
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Never used one but did spend what seemed like an eternity with a gun a foot from my head during a robbery.Pretty bad feeling sitting there hoping the guys just a crook and not a killer. In this case it would have done me no good to have been carrying. My idiot manager at an all nite grocery store in Huntsville decided to do a bank drop at 1:30 in the morning and took me along.As soon as he walks up to the drop one guy came around a corner and another came from behind me as I was sitting in the car watching him.Never saw him until I looked to my right and he was standing at the window with the gun pointed. He never said a word but I put my hands on my head, stared straight ahead and got to praying.

Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1648152
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These type stories always interest me. Never even happens to some people, but I've been unlucky on occasion I guess.

Walking to my car downtown B'ham late one night. I just started to open the door when, you know... "Hey, can I ax uz sumptin, I need sum help". He came around the back of the car and had the knife just about into my kidney when my pistol landed right on the end of his girlfriend's nose. I wasn't going anywhere else with it, he'd have sunk it to the hilt for sure. We made a deal at that point and I didn't have to take either of them with me.

polished stainless .45 with real elephant ivory grips. I've still got that pistol. No doubt you can clearly see that one in a dark parking lot.


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Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1648187
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Both those stories show that better situational awareness trumps a bigger gun with more rounds.

Re: Handgun question [Re: EarlPitts] #1648219
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Dad says a .22 looks like a .50 cal when it's pointed at you. He was in 'Nam in '65-'66 so I reckon he would know.


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Originally Posted By: AC870
Dad says a .22 looks like a .50 cal when it's pointed at you. He was in 'Nam in '65-'66 so I reckon he would know.


And God was with him in that battle that he survived to make it home.


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Originally Posted By: R_H_Clark
The only way you aren't going to be outgunned in an active shooter situation is if you carry an AR and several mags everywhere. People watch too much TV.

Carry the most effective weapon that you are comfortable using and carrying everyday. It might not even be the same gun in different situations. I carry both a pocket pistol and a Glock depending on the situation but I don't feel outgunned even when I'm carrying the Kahr P-380. It's likely more than I'll ever need.


Sir maybe you should watch the news more often. If the next ISIS/muslim terrorist attack is nearby where you call home, you'll start thinking a lot differently. Maybe if ISIS had put a hit on your head as they have every active/veteran and our families you'd think differently.

Carrying an AR and a battle sac in the back of your vehicle isn't a bad idea in the world we live in.

If it's not more than you'll ever need then you'll never need more again.


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