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Vessel/Driver License racket
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02/08/16 08:57 AM
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So I finally got my boaters license, since I'm trying to buy a boat. Been meaning to get it anyway.
Was under the impression the online class was required. So I took and passed the online class - $30
Come to find out later I could have taken the test at the State Trooper's office and it would've only been $5, according to the lady trooper. Oh well, that's on me I guess - should've called and got clarification.
Well I get to the State Trooper office to have the "V" added to my license. - $36 for the "duplicate" fee....
so now we're at $76 just to get a boater license.
HERE'S THE KICKER...
my license was scheduled to expire in May. AFTER I'd paid the $36 fee, the state trooper lady "reminded" me that they can only renew them 60 days in advance, so mine is STILL going to expire in May, at which point I'll have to pay ANOTHER $36 to renew it.
I calmly and rationally explained how that was absolute BullShucks, and that it would've been really damn nice to have known that 10 minutes earlier. The state gives you a 30 day grace period to drive a newly purchased boat without a license. So even if I bought one later this month, I could have waited to get my Vessel license until I was within that 60 day window and save one of the $36 fees...
It's a wonder I made it out of there without being in handcuffs.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 09:04 AM
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this is more of a principle thing...
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: BirminghamBuck]
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02/08/16 09:06 AM
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With a boat, the $36 license fee is going to be the least of your worries. Bring On Another Thousand
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 09:12 AM
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You didn't have to have it added to your license right now you could have waited and just kept the certificate.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 09:13 AM
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Hmmm you are mad at them because you didn't think all this out. All righty then!
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: MANGLER]
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02/08/16 09:14 AM
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You didn't have to have it added to your license right now you could have waited and just kept the certificate. I specifically asked the people at the license office and was told that the certificate, alone, is NOT a boaters license and that I'd have to get a boaters license to legally operate a boat in AL. For what it's worth, I'm not irritated over the part about adding the V classification to my license... I'm irritated that they charged me a $36 "duplication fee", and only AFTER they charged me that, did they bother to say "oh by the way, you'll have to pay this again in 3 months because you're not inside the 60 day window."
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
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02/08/16 10:08 AM
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If I had it to do over again, I'd just carry a laminated boating certificate in a boat. That's exactly what a buddy of mine does.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
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02/08/16 10:10 AM
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If I had it to do over again, I'd just carry a laminated boating certificate in a boat. That's exactly what a buddy of mine does. Like I said, I was specifically told by the DPS office that doesn't count as a boater license and you would be ticketed for operating without a license. Now, they may have been ignorant of the law or just flat-out lying, but they said that does not count for an operators license. Either way, it's done now and I'm legal.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
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02/08/16 10:31 AM
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So I finally got my boaters license, since I'm trying to buy a boat. Been meaning to get it anyway.
Was under the impression the online class was required. So I took and passed the online class - $30
Come to find out later I could have taken the test at the State Trooper's office and it would've only been $5, according to the lady trooper. Oh well, that's on me I guess - should've called and got clarification.
Well I get to the State Trooper office to have the "V" added to my license. - $36 for the "duplicate" fee....
so now we're at $76 just to get a boater license. I'd be angry at my 2nd grade math teacher, too.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: hunterbuck]
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02/08/16 10:35 AM
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So I finally got my boaters license, since I'm trying to buy a boat. Been meaning to get it anyway.
Was under the impression the online class was required. So I took and passed the online class - $30
Come to find out later I could have taken the test at the State Trooper's office and it would've only been $5, according to the lady trooper. Oh well, that's on me I guess - should've called and got clarification.
Well I get to the State Trooper office to have the "V" added to my license. - $36 for the "duplicate" fee....
so now we're at $76 just to get a boater license. I'd be angry at my 2nd grade math teacher, too. Well crap....good catch.
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars 2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement 3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 10:56 AM
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You should try class A CDL with HAZMAT on for size. Every two years you have to get a DOT physical at about $95. Then, every fourth year you have the DOT physical($95), have a Homeland Security background check ($80) then if that weren't bad enough, you have to pass the written HAZMAT exam ($35) then pay for the license renewal ($65.00) That's $275.00 every four years!
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: born2fizh]
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02/08/16 11:42 AM
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Does everyone have to have a vessel license in Al? Or is it a age thing? Do I have to have one if i come and fish in Al? You do if you are going to operate a motorized boat.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 12:00 PM
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If I had it to do over again, I'd just carry a laminated boating certificate in a boat. That's exactly what a buddy of mine does. Like I said, I was specifically told by the DPS office that doesn't count as a boater license and you would be ticketed for operating without a license. Now, they may have been ignorant of the law or just flat-out lying, but they said that does not count for an operators license. Either way, it's done now and I'm legal. It isn't legal. You have to have the licence because you have to have a licence number so that you can be tracked if you are stopped just like a DL. They will ticket you for no license. Also, if you get a BUI, they have to have the license number to put on the ticket.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 12:11 PM
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What's even more strange is that we accept the fact that the state licenses a freedom.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
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02/08/16 12:47 PM
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Every two years you have to get a DOT physical at about $95. Then, every fourth year you have the DOT physical($95), Say that again......... ??
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: William]
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02/08/16 12:48 PM
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What's even more strange is that we accept the fact that the state licenses a freedom. The freedom to drive a boat? Surely you are joking.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 12:54 PM
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When I was in high school we took the Vessel license test as part of drivers ed. Every single person in my graduating class had a vessel license and I don't remember any of us having to pay a dime for it.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: 3toe]
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02/08/16 01:09 PM
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Does everyone have to have a vessel license in Al? Or is it a age thing? Do I have to have one if i come and fish in Al? You do if you are going to operate a motorized boat. No, you don't. Visitors, I believe, are exempt.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: William]
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02/08/16 01:10 PM
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What's even more strange is that we accept the fact that the state licenses a freedom. Huh?
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[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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02/08/16 01:27 PM
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Every two years you have to get a DOT physical at about $95. Then, every fourth year you have the DOT physical($95), Say that again......... ?? the DOT medical card is only good for two years, and my CDL expires every four years. So, on the fourth year(CDL renewal year) you have the expense of the license renewal, the written exam, the background check, and the added cost of renewing your medical card all at once.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: doekiller]
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02/08/16 02:28 PM
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Nope. We've managed to let the state turn driving a boat or a car into a privilege that is a licensed, taxable event. I can kind of see the argument for a drivers license since the state is providing the roads, but the state doesn't provide the water. If anything, Alabama Power or the Corp of Engs should issue boater licenses.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/08/16 02:29 PM
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Revenue source to help with Marine Police.
Same thing with states issuing a hunting license and then making you buy a permit to use a gun, and a permit to use a bow, and one for a crossbow and one for a muzzleloader. You want to hunt all four? Buy a license and four weapon/season permits.
Same thing. Revenue source.
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02/08/16 02:40 PM
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So, I have to get a state issued permit (tax) to operate a boat, but I don't have to get one to operate a canoe? Is canoeing a right, but boating a privilege?
I have to show a state issued ID to vote in Alabama. I'm pretty sure voting is a right.
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02/08/16 02:41 PM
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Revenue source to help with Marine Police.
Same thing with states issuing a hunting license and then making you buy a permit to use a gun, and a permit to use a bow, and one for a crossbow and one for a muzzleloader. You want to hunt all four? Buy a license and four weapon/season permits.
Same thing. Revenue source.
No such thing anymore. Got stopped by a state trooper boat last year and said the marine police were a thing of the past
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: William]
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02/08/16 03:08 PM
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So, I have to get a state issued permit (tax) to operate a boat, but I don't have to get one to operate a canoe? Is canoeing a right, but boating a privilege?
I have to show a state issued ID to vote in Alabama. I'm pretty sure voting is a right. You don't have a right to operate a boat. The license was instituted to help regulate BUI.
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Only motorized boats require a reg and license. You, Jesus and anyone else can still paddle a boat and exercise your "Rights" without a license.
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So, I have to get a state issued permit (tax) to operate a boat, but I don't have to get one to operate a canoe? Is canoeing a right, but boating a privilege?
I have to show a state issued ID to vote in Alabama. I'm pretty sure voting is a right. You don't have a right to operate a boat. The license was instituted to help regulate BUI. Sorry, I can't agree. The license was instituted to generate revenue. If it was needed to regulate anything.........why wouldn't other states that have an exponential more amount of boaters do the same. Florida has more boaters than any state and they don't require one las I heard.
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Only motorized boats require a reg and license. You, Jesus and anyone else can still paddle a boat and exercise your "Rights" without a license. I can and do.........bet your ass on that.
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42 states require a boating safety certificate. Alabama simply outs it in your license. It doesn't increase the cost of your driver's license in anyway. So, how does it generate revenue?
The only way you have to pay extra is if you don't get it at the time of your license renewal. Just like if you replace your line ever for any other reason.
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So I finally got my boaters license, since I'm trying to buy a boat. Been meaning to get it anyway.
Was under the impression the online class was required. So I took and passed the online class - $30
Come to find out later I could have taken the test at the State Trooper's office and it would've only been $5, according to the lady trooper. Oh well, that's on me I guess - should've called and got clarification.
Well I get to the State Trooper office to have the "V" added to my license. - $36 for the "duplicate" fee....
so now we're at $76 just to get a boater license.
HERE'S THE KICKER...
my license was scheduled to expire in May. AFTER I'd paid the $36 fee, the state trooper lady "reminded" me that they can only renew them 60 days in advance, so mine is STILL going to expire in May, at which point I'll have to pay ANOTHER $36 to renew it.
I calmly and rationally explained how that was absolute BullShucks, and that it would've been really damn nice to have known that 10 minutes earlier. The state gives you a 30 day grace period to drive a newly purchased boat without a license. So even if I bought one later this month, I could have waited to get my Vessel license until I was within that 60 day window and save one of the $36 fees...
It's a wonder I made it out of there without being in handcuffs.
See the revenue generation? It did not generate revenue from me because I had a marine police officer give me a free class in the past..........and a missisippi marine police issue a different one that is valid almost anywhere......again free in a training class. But it appears others have to pay something.
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02/08/16 03:36 PM
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Your mom’s house
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What I see is someone who didn't do the proper investigation before taking a test. He paid only because he didn't know to not take the on line course and he didn't wait 3 months for his license renewal. So, really the cost is for not investigating before jumping in.
Do you really thing other states don't charge you for taking their classes? $5.00 to take the test at the DL office is not going to fund much.
Last edited by doekiller; 02/08/16 03:36 PM.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: Cletus]
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02/08/16 03:38 PM
02/08/16 03:38 PM
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Posts: 25,070 Guntersville, AL
IDOT
I am Cornholio
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I am Cornholio
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 25,070
Guntersville, AL
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$5
That's all it cost + price of a new DL. You don't have to take a class, you just have to pass a test.
If you’re a common sense person, you probably don’t feel you have a home in this world right now. If you’re a Christian, you know you were never meant to.
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: William]
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02/09/16 08:19 AM
02/09/16 08:19 AM
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Posts: 22,476 Lickskillet, AL
Irishguy
a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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a.k.a. Dingle Johnson
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Posts: 22,476
Lickskillet, AL
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What's even more strange is that we accept the fact that the state licenses a freedom. Freeman on the Land Movement? Freeman
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Re: Vessel/Driver License racket
[Re: GomerPyle]
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02/09/16 03:15 PM
02/09/16 03:15 PM
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Posts: 1,319 Orange Beach, Al
Rickybobby
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8 point
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Posts: 1,319
Orange Beach, Al
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You wanna buy a boat and your getting outta shape over $100. Must be your first boat
At times my ambition far exceeds my talent.
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