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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644525
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Originally Posted By: ElkHunter
Looks like the 2015-2016 deer season will be the last of its kind. Right wrong or indifferent, it looks like baiting will be part of Alabama’s deer seasons from now on. Hope you all had a good season and will remember the “Way it used to be”.

I went to college in TX back in the late 80's and that is how almost everyone out there hunts. Big guns, long shots, feeders with corrals around them to keep the hogs and livestock out. All were the norm then and I guess will become the norm here.

The "Hunting Club" rules will change a lot as well. Corn, no corn, my stand, public stand, who fills the feeders, who buys the corn, do we still plant or just bait..... All items to work out in the baiting age.

At least the argument over it will cease. Once it passes, it will be here. We will all have to live with it one way or another. I have no doubt I will hunt over corn as well. I already do A LOT for pigs.

Just a few things I thought about yesterday sitting on my stand and watching my deer season fade away.


It will not change anything at my club.....We aren't going to do anything to attract more bears but I encourage my neighbors to put out all the corn they can afford wink

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Re: The old days. [Re: bill] #1644527
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Originally Posted By: bill
The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.


Explain to me how that is different than a food plot? Do you have rules that keep the deer from feeding on your food plots at night? If so, how did you get them to agree? I want to know the secret.

Re: The old days. [Re: doekiller] #1644534
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: bill
The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.


Explain to me how that is different than a food plot? Do you have rules that keep the deer from feeding on your food plots at night? If so, how did you get them to agree? I want to know the secret.


I was thinking the same thing. Deer feed in plots mostly at night.

Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644535
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Maybe so, Clem. But, I don't mean just friends. Just thinking back through life, even just folks I may have a conversation with, or a friend of a friend of a casual acquaintance. And, for the record, we don't hunt over corn at my club.

Re: The old days. [Re: FurFlyin] #1644550
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food plots provide food for the deer even after the season goes out


Some of them. A lot of plots are created specifically for hunting season and then let go, redone next season, and so forth. A true "food plot" that is a 3-season or year-round food source for wildlife is rare.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644559
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My thoughts, hmm. On the one hand people want to corral deer into one small area to make it easier to kill them. On the other hand too many does are being killed now. On the one hand, too many young less than MATURE old bucks are being killed. On the other hand corral the deer into a small spot to make killing them easier.

The really sad part if the baiters and want a be baiters would actually learn how to hunt instead of wanting to bait or sit and watch grass grow in a green field maybe just maybe they would actually kill deer!! But, of course that would mean getting the heck out of in front of the TV and stop watching with starry eyes all of the TV shows. I would be all for outlawing green fields to by the way. Kind of solves the issue of killing too many does and young bucks, but that's the easiest and best solution. But it doesn't stop the squeaky wheels that will never stop squeaking.

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Re: The old days. [Re: Fun4all] #1644599
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I agree. We should outlaw rifles and compound bows. If we can't kill them with spears then we need to abolish deer season!!!


Originally Posted By: Fun4all
My thoughts, hmm. On the one hand people want to corral deer into one small area to make it easier to kill them. On the other hand too many does are being killed now. On the one hand, too many young less than MATURE old bucks are being killed. On the other hand corral the deer into a small spot to make killing them easier.

The really sad part if the baiters and want a be baiters would actually learn how to hunt instead of wanting to bait or sit and watch grass grow in a green field maybe just maybe they would actually kill deer!! But, of course that would mean getting the heck out of in front of the TV and stop watching with starry eyes all of the TV shows. I would be all for outlawing green fields to by the way. Kind of solves the issue of killing too many does and young bucks, but that's the easiest and best solution. But it doesn't stop the squeaky wheels that will never stop squeaking.

Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644601
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And dogs will run all the deer out of the county and away from your corn piles if they step foot on your property ... unless it is a tracking dog, that runs/trails, bays and catches deer on your property.

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Re: The old days. [Re: Clem] #1644639
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Originally Posted By: Clem
Quote:
food plots provide food for the deer even after the season goes out


Some of them. A lot of plots are created specifically for hunting season and then let go, redone next season, and so forth. A true "food plot" that is a 3-season or year-round food source for wildlife is rare.


My point was that even a fall planted, winter "killing" plot provides food until spring green up. Even the most pitiful excuse for a green field will provide some food. An empty feeder provides none.


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Re: The old days. [Re: doekiller] #1644670
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: bill
The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.


Explain to me how that is different than a food plot? Do you have rules that keep the deer from feeding on your food plots at night? If so, how did you get them to agree? I want to know the secret.


How much time does a deer have to spend eating grass to get the same calories they get out of a feed trough full of corn? My.opinion is based on studies I've read. There are several studies referenced in this article.

http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/game-ch...ior-and-habitat


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Re: The old days. [Re: FurFlyin] #1644680
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Originally Posted By: FurFlyin
One big difference between corn and food plots that I rarely if ever see mentioned is that food plots provide food for the deer even after the season goes out. Most people who feed put feed out during deer season and stop when it ends.

I didn't say all, I said most, so there's no need to tell me you do it differently....



Your right Brad and I will always do green fields because of its valuable nutrition source for the deer. Plus I enjoy the farming part more than anything else about hunting season. I take pride in my fields and love seeing them get mowed down this time of year.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644765
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There is a big diffrence in your average food plot and your average corn feeder .

I can plant a plot in the fall and fertilize it and not return until December to hunt . If your are bating with corn you are constantly in and out refilling and deer learn that if they come at night they don't see you .. Not to mention that predators can key on the feeders , also its not Good incase of a disease outbreak . And not to mention it takes the sport out of hunting . I don't like hunting green fields all the time , I enjoy watching the deer in the fields and I like taking kids to sit on them i like providing the nutrition for the deer. But I enjoy hunting the most when I'm scouting liking for rubs and large tracks and trying to figure out where that buck beds . I have found myself using cameras less and less too, it takes the fun out of the hunt . Plus I found myself stinking up the woods just to check a camera .

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Re: The old days. [Re: bill] #1644843
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Originally Posted By: bill
The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.





yep , some thing with a full belly don't have to travel much . easier and faster full belly will mean less movement ,,,,IMO

a deer still has to get up and move some ever so often but they won't move much .

Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644863
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I don't know if it will change anything. Somebody will make a little more money in the long run.


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Re: The old days. [Re: burbank] #1644870
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Originally Posted By: burbank
I agree. We should outlaw rifles and compound bows. If we can't kill them with spears then we need to abolish deer season!!!


Originally Posted By: Fun4all
My thoughts, hmm. On the one hand people want to corral deer into one small area to make it easier to kill them. On the other hand too many does are being killed now. On the one hand, too many young less than MATURE old bucks are being killed. On the other hand corral the deer into a small spot to make killing them easier.

The really sad part if the baiters and want a be baiters would actually learn how to hunt instead of wanting to bait or sit and watch grass grow in a green field maybe just maybe they would actually kill deer!! But, of course that would mean getting the heck out of in front of the TV and stop watching with starry eyes all of the TV shows. I would be all for outlawing green fields to by the way. Kind of solves the issue of killing too many does and young bucks, but that's the easiest and best solution. But it doesn't stop the squeaky wheels that will never stop squeaking.


Guess you missed the part about learning how to hunt? Hunting isn't a everybody gets a trophy for participating hobby, but there are a hell of a lot of people that believes it should be, sad. Instead of being resourceful and figuring out how to hunt, a lot want to run to momma government to make it better!


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Re: The old days. [Re: jaredhunts] #1644877
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Originally Posted By: jaredhunts
I don't know if it will change anything. Somebody will make a little more money in the long run.


It will change things over time .. You will not notice a direct change next season . It will change the way young folks learn to hunt, and it will effect how deer feed during winter. I think it's BS and a dumb move .

Re: The old days. [Re: RonBuck] #1644888
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Originally Posted By: RonBuck
Originally Posted By: jaredhunts
I don't know if it will change anything. Somebody will make a little more money in the long run.


It will change things over time .. You will not notice a direct change next season . It will change the way young folks learn to hunt, and it will effect how deer feed during winter. I think it's BS and a dumb move .



I agree Ron.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644889
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just wait till ever body with 5 ac puts up a feeder , then we gonna here a lot of pissing and moaning . be a lot of young bucks killed and the pissing and moaning will get louder .

i'm gonna LMAO

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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644890
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I've seen deer walk over a corn pile to get to a white oak tree. I've seen them totally ignore it in a food plot and eat the green. I've seen them eat corn.
Corn isn't a magic bullet. It's just another food source.

Re: The old days. [Re: jmj120] #1644897
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Originally Posted By: jmj120
I've seen deer walk over a corn pile to get to a white oak tree. I've seen them totally ignore it in a food plot and eat the green. I've seen them eat corn.
Corn isn't a magic bullet. It's just another food source.



i got pictures of deer laying down in the corn eating it . lol

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