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The old days. #1643999
02/08/16 07:09 AM
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Looks like the 2015-2016 deer season will be the last of its kind. Right wrong or indifferent, it looks like baiting will be part of Alabama’s deer seasons from now on. Hope you all had a good season and will remember the “Way it used to be”.

I went to college in TX back in the late 80's and that is how almost everyone out there hunts. Big guns, long shots, feeders with corrals around them to keep the hogs and livestock out. All were the norm then and I guess will become the norm here.

The "Hunting Club" rules will change a lot as well. Corn, no corn, my stand, public stand, who fills the feeders, who buys the corn, do we still plant or just bait..... All items to work out in the baiting age.

At least the argument over it will cease. Once it passes, it will be here. We will all have to live with it one way or another. I have no doubt I will hunt over corn as well. I already do A LOT for pigs.

Just a few things I thought about yesterday sitting on my stand and watching my deer season fade away.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644014
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I need to buy some corn stock.

Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644026
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I don't make enough money to buy corn, roasted beans, bran or whatever. Will just keep hunting on my property how we hunt now.

But yes, things are about to change forever and won't be the same. For those "progressives" wanting baiting and special this or special that kind of changes, just remember that you reap what you sow.


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Re: The old days. [Re: Clem] #1644038
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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644044
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I am not sure how I feel about baiting for deer I might do it if i have a young kid that has never killed one but I don't think I would let him know the field was baited, Now baiting for hogs heck let it fly and kill them all, the green fields at the club looked like a D-9 had been riding around on them!!



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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644045
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Baiting will be approved there before long, IDOT. It's only a matter of time, just like in Mississippi. TWRA's commissioners are moneyed politico appointees just like in other states.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644055
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I would like to see some data on baiting before legalization/after legalization. Has anyone seen data from other states?


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644080
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The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.


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Re: The old days. [Re: bill] #1644089
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Originally Posted By: bill
The difference in baiting in Texas and Alabama is the the habitat. With Alabama pine plantations, most caloric needs met by supplemental (baiting) feeding and the enormous pressure, deer will become more nocturnal than they already are. There isn't a lot of calories in natural browse so deer must feed several times a day. If they can head to a feeder at night, get most of their caloric needs met , then they can lay up in thick pines all day and never be seen. I wish they'd ban it all.


I completely agree.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644090
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Since baiting has been legalized in GA, we see far more deer on our little property today than when it was illegal to bait. That is my personal experience.

I would like to see a well documented study.


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Re: The old days. [Re: Beer Belly] #1644104
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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly

Since baiting has been legalized in GA, we see far more deer on our little property today than when it was illegal to bait. That is my personal experience.

I would like to see a well documented study.








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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644105
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I don't like it. I know from being in the "professional" animal raising business for most of my life that any time you congregate animals you increase the disease risk and spread of diseases. I'm sure I will start feeding once it's legal to hunt over. I don't have any studies to back this up but I feel it will be better for the deer herd to keep the feed off the ground. Gravity feeders would be much more sanitary than broadcast feeders or feeding off the ground.

Guess I need to get started designing a gravity feeder to manufacture


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644121
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Unless you're the only one corning, I don't see that it would hold deer ONLY on your property. As I stated the other day, I killed a buck a month ago that had whole kernel inside his esophagus and I had stopped filling my legal feeder over a month prior. Of course, this is not empirical data, just my experience with this one deer.

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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644177
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I really don't care either way. To bait or not to bait. I just wish they would make up their minds what's legal and what's not.
I primarily hunt public land and don't see where this will change how or where I hunt.
I know some that will spend hundreds just to sit and look at fat crow's. They have always put out corn and don't have any better luck than I do without it.
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Florida has allowed baiting for well over 25 years. I would think that if moldy corn killed turkeys and deer, we would not have any left to hunt by this time.I also think that a game warden's time would better spent arresting night hunters and poachers.


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644272
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Don't matter to me..I wasn't born yet, but I remember hearing stories about folks, thinking the world was gonna end because the use of food plots was allowed..


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Originally Posted By: Beer Belly

Since baiting has been legalized in GA, we see far more deer on our little property today than when it was illegal to bait. That is my personal experience.

I would like to see a well documented study.








A good friend of mine is from Georgia and he told me this past weekend they see way more deer in Georgia than he has ever seen in Alabama. Doesn't really make a difference to me as I probably won't hunt over corn but it will be nice to not have to worry about making sure it's all gone 10 days prior to season or whether or not the neighbor has a feeder I didn't know about. I believe a GW's time could be better spent chasing night hunters tresspassors, etc...


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Y'all notice it hasn't said anything about turkeys? Unless I missed it, just deer and hogs.

Turkey hunters could find themselves in a jam if it's approved, no?


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Re: The old days. [Re: ElkHunter] #1644294
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shucks folks adapt and move on. Things will be just fine whatever happens. I can't believe some of the petty worries some folks have these days.


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