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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2925998
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I used to keep my place nice and neatly mowed….all the fruit orchards and such…..then I figured out that the deer like it a lot better when it’s messy and grown up. That glorified weed patch is slam full of deer right now. I can’t even walk out of my garage without spooking deer. I jumped up three different groups just walking in to take those pics and spread the corn out. It's pretty easy not to lose your chit when its like that. You start realizing that what we think is important is a little different than what the deer do.

The summer cedar is offering structure and cover to what would otherwise be an open field. I believe its also serving as a soil anchor in some way in my sandy soil. The massive woody roots that its putting down are building new pathways and further stabilizing the soil. Its becoming more and more predominant in my field but I’m gonna hold off on the urge to try and control it just yet. I feel like as the soil conditions change then so will the species composition. Mother Nature doesn’t just remain static. If I walked away and left it alone I don’t think you would come back in ten years to find a field of dog fennel. Nature progresses from early successional species toward climax species of a mature forest and it does something similar with building soil. I may not know exactly how it will happen but I feel like the dog fennel is just playing a temporary role in the soil building process.

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Well good for you. Glad you found the symbiotic balance at your place. I however believe my farm should be well kept and clean and intended plantings be used accordingly.


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2926015
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I’m managing for deer……not humans.


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2926086
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Finished my plots on Sunday. I expanded all of them this year doubling amount of food plot acreage so 1/2 plot has good thatch and 1/2 is bare dirt. I planted rye, crimson clover, frosty berseem clover, balansa clover, rape and turnips. Sprayed 4 weeks ago, broadcast seed and fertilizer, mowed and cultipacked.

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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: Turkey_neck] #2926287
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Originally Posted by Rutabaga
I bush hogged last years growth on my two acre plot, then I put the finishing mower on it. Let it sit for a couple weeks and cut it again with the finishing mower. Yesterday I slung seed with the gator and pull behind spreader (love it), waiting on the rain I was promised. If this plot grows it will be the easiest I have ever planted. Fingers crossed. Did

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You are really supposed to put the seed down before mowing it down. You want the thatch to cover the seed which has soil contact. Not sure how good of results you will have with that approach.

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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2926350
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Well dang.....what a tease! grin


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2927128
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CNC cracked corn would probably be even better or what your trying.


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: ridgestalker] #2927181
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Originally Posted by ridgestalker
CNC cracked corn would probably be even better or what your trying.


That's a good idea....I may mix whole and cracked together and throw out some of both. We got a good bit of rain today so I think I'm gonna go ahead and spread it tomorrow. I'm gonna definitely have to make me a few shooting lanes too. I went out there this evening for the last hour or two and saw a bunch of deer.....but man were they tough to see and follow in all that mess. When I get done spreading everything I'll probably just throw the tractor in reverse and lay my bucket down flat to press down a few quick lanes without having to hook up the bushhog …. I'm sure I'm gonna knock down some of it just by riding the tractor through spreading seed.

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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2931701
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Finally got my field finished up yesterday. I spread the seed out before this last rain event and then came back in yesterday afternoon and spread the corn. I put out 200 lbs of whole corn and 100 lbs of cracked corn across roughly 2 acres. After hunting the field a couple of times I decided to do a modified version of my original plan. It was just impossible to see the deer as thick as the dog fennel had grown up. So as I was spreading the seed and corn I lowered my bucket down to about 6-8 inches off the ground with the bottom of the buck running parallel to the ground like a blade. This laid over most of the taller vegetation but still left it to where it didn’t feel completely open. This also acted as the first step in the mob grazing process….the deer will take it from here.

This is standing in the front of the field looking toward the back. I left a buffer of dog fennel around most of it except for a couple spots where I wanted to be able to see down in the woods a little ways from my stand.

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This pic is the front of the field where I was just standing. I’m posting it to show how I’m using dog fennel as a buffer and screen.

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This is the left side….again showing the buffer

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…..and this is part of the right side buffer. Fingers crossed now....lets see how this experiment turns out. I'm guessing its gonna be a while before it looks green like a golf course. grin

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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2931722
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Just curious why you're spreading corn over 2 acres?

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Originally Posted by Remington270
Just curious why you're spreading corn over 2 acres?


This is an experiment to see if I can even further simplify the process. I’m trying to simulate mob grazing with cattle. I’m trying to draw all my local deer in and have them beat down that hay as they walk around searching and picking out the corn so that it removes the overstory and releases my sprouting seeds underneath. It will also make for one helluva bow hunting spot over the next couple weeks. Most folks just put their corn out in a pile or in a feeder and sit over it……. but its far more effective if you’ll put it in a bag spreader and spread it out over a large area around your stand. I think it feels more natural instead of feeling like their walking into an ambush spot.

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One other thing to add……..I’m also hoping that by not processing up the thatch and putting it all on the ground at one time that it won’t tie up my nitrogen like its done in the past. Maybe I can either delay it or cause it to be a more gradual process. I’d prefer to have all of that dog fennel broken down in the spring.


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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2931915
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I believe in order for the mob grazing tactic to work you are going to need to spread a lot more corn. Spreading a lot more corn means your atv/utv that you are spreading with will be doing the overstory removal for you but that is just my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Mully
I believe in order for the mob grazing tactic to work you are going to need to spread a lot more corn. Spreading a lot more corn means your atv/utv that you are spreading with will be doing the overstory removal for you but that is just my opinion.



We’ll see….that’s what experimenting is all about. It may not sound like a lot of corn but I have one of the big Land Pride spreaders and it wasn’t too far away from being slam full. It looked like a lot more once I had it all poured in the hopper. One thing I’m counting on is the food plot to start establishing and that becoming a draw as well. It’ll be a gradual process that may take a couple weeks or more. So far though all I’ve done is made a few laps around the field with a spreader that maybe took me a grand total of 30 minutes to do with very little strain on the tractor. If it does turn out to work then that’s about as simple and easy peezy as you could get. I didn't even have to swap tractor implements. If I need to spread a little more corn then so be it…..I look at spreading the corn as serving two functions anyways. It’s helping to create the mob grazing effect and its also baiting deer in….so I don’t see it as just an additional cost that we’re simply having to eat in order to plant this way. I'm also getting to hunt over a well baited field. I actually think that my field would probably establish ok without any corn at all….it may just take it a little longer. Like I said though….this is why we experiment….we’ll watch what happens then tweak and adjust as needed.

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Re: Throw n Mow Q&A [Re: CNC] #2931952
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Keep in mind too that it's not just 300 lbs in a feeder or dumped out in one pile....It's 300 lbs that's been broadcast across two acres from a spin spreader into all of that hay. They're gonna have to do quite a bit of pacing around and searching before every kernel is gone.


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Well, that’s one critter that won’t be helping with the mob grazing. I’ve seen what they do to fields and it aint pretty. Its only the second time in 13 years I’ve seen pigs on my place. They’re right down the road but just rarely venture up this way. The drought probably moved them around some. I thought I heard some squeal out from down in the swamp a couple weeks ago so it didn’t surprise me when this big boy stepped out right at dark this evening. I watched him for a few minutes at around 100 yards but I knew with as much corn as was between me and him that I’d never get a shot before dark. So I slipped out of the stand and used the wind and the dog fennel to my advantage to pull the Mohican sneakin on him. I got to within about 20 yards before taking the shot. First critter I've shot with a mechanical broadhead out of my crossbow. It did a number on him but I hit him where it counts. I'm guessing he's between 250-300 maybe...not real sure. I know its all I can do to move him around and get him in the bucket.

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Nice shot and good riddance

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Originally Posted by CNC

This is an experiment to see if I can even further simplify the process. I’m trying to simulate mob grazing with cattle. I’m trying to draw all my local deer in and have them beat down that hay as they walk around searching and picking out the corn so that it removes the overstory and releases my sprouting seeds underneath. It will also make for one helluva bow hunting spot over the next couple weeks. Most folks just put their corn out in a pile or in a feeder and sit over it……. but its far more effective if you’ll put it in a bag spreader and spread it out over a large area around your stand. I think it feels more natural instead of feeling like their walking into an ambush spot.



Interesting. Might I suggest that adding some dry molasses to the spread would do a couple of things for you: 1. Fertilize the area and 2. Draw the deer quicker. People talk about Milorganite repelling deer due to its smell. Dry molasses attracts deer due to the sweet smell.


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Originally Posted by crenshawco
Nice shot and good riddance


Thanks....I was glad to be able to go ahead and get him out of here before he was able to do any damage.


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Originally Posted by William
[quote=CNC]Interesting. Might I suggest that adding some dry molasses to the spread would do a couple of things for you: 1. Fertilize the area and 2. Draw the deer quicker. People talk about Milorganite repelling deer due to its smell. Dry molasses attracts deer due to the sweet smell.


That's a good idea. For my purposes here at my place I've really already got a lot of deer in here. It's just a matter of concentrating them in on a specific area and having them pace around on it a bunch. For others though, who may not have their deer as concentrated at planting time.....adding some dried molasses may be a good way to bring the deer on in.

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