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This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form #1553193
12/08/15 09:36 AM
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I'm thinking about trying this technique right before fawning next year on my property. There are three reasons,
1. Leg holds aren't legal here in FL.
2. This seems to be a very easy method other than gathering up the bait from the local butcher shops. Would be much easier that running a trap or snare line all the way around my property.
3. Would be to hopefully kill a good many of the resident coyotes right before the fawns drop. By the time the new coyotes move in, hopefully the fawns will be big enough that they will have a better chance of survival.

I have decent resident herd of does on my property and only 3 fawns between them all so far this year, and one of the does is the mother of 2 of them. I used to see a lot more fawns per doe ratio than I'm seeing now, but haven't seen that in quite some time, and our deer herd is slowly dwindling.

I would setup some no flash cameras (positioned higher up facing down on the bait pile) to make sure that no ones pets were coming to the pile. Because these snares will kill quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCf0sS9ejnI

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1553208
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I have a cattle farmer neighbor who swears that sponges soaked in bacon grease works.


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: WmHunter] #1553242
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Originally Posted By: WmHunter
I have a cattle farmer neighbor who swears that sponges soaked in bacon grease works.


I certainly don't advocate this, but I've been told that since coyotes swallow their meat in chunks instead of chewing it, chunks of Styrofoam soaked in bacon grease will clog them up and eventually kill them. I guess that is the same theory behind the sponges.


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1562993
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Timbercruiser, here is the link and the guy I was telling you about...

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1563099
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Problem is.....snares are illegal in AL.

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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Problem is.....snares are illegal in AL.

So is this
Originally Posted By: WmHunter
I have a cattle farmer neighbor who swears that sponges soaked in bacon grease works.

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1563110
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Yep!

And, the sponge/Styrofoam thing does not even work. If it did, the Lab breed would have died out a LONG time ago! LOL

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1563413
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Ryan has a great set up .
Not knocking the RAMS but I'll take a dozen kill spring snares over the ram any day.

http://www.snareshop.com/prodinfo.asp?number=SNARE509


These are legal in FL. -get some 6-8' extension cable to give the coyote room to blast-off running when it realizes it's caught -the harder it yanks the snare the tighter it gets and does not relax. A coyote is dead in seconds .

If you're going to trap a spot do what is known as gang setting -lay the area trails full of snares in sizes small enough to catch coons -possums too <-turkey nest predators .
If there's a possibility of deer using the trail use a jump-stick -[youtube] .
Get deer scraps/old grease and dog food/ anything that will attract critters gang-set everything that looks like a trail .

Don't set snares close to the bait you might end up with a certain kind of bird that is a symbol for the USA -you know how the Anti's are .

Once you get a feel for snares and see how well they hide on a trail -how fast they can be set etc. --you'll love them .

Don't bother doing anything more than leaving them lay outside for a week then with them rolled up give them the lightest -light over spray of green spray paint. that way they will have broken color green and flat grey which camo's very well.
DON'T use much it will slow down the snares firing speed.

Youtube --"loaded snare" then play with the snare and watch how that bend makes them actually 'spring' closed . As soon a coyote walks into the snare and pulls it the least bit it fires . When you get the bend in the cable right [it's easy to do] it'll put a smile on your face and make you think oh yeah that's going to jump tight around ol wiley's the fawn eaters neck real fast.

Now if the stinking -disgusting -sorry low down summer weather would get gone I could get started hanging cable.

Good luck -glad to hear an outdoorsman is going to do something about stinking coyotes that will work instead of asking about a Foxpro and which AR-15 to buy !

Mike


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: Hogwild] #1563500
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Yep!

And, the sponge/Styrofoam thing does not even work. If it did, the Lab breed would have died out a LONG time ago! LOL


And all the lab owners said....AMEN church! laugh


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: Hogwild] #1565012
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Problem is.....snares are illegal in AL.


I know this is an AL site, but Timbercrusier and I both live in FL just down the road from each other and we were discussing a better method of working on coyotes around here. So I was telling him about this post that I had posted a few weeks back. Leg holds are illegal here in FL (unless you get a special exemption), but snares are legal. However, I'm not positive if these type of snares are legal here or not...

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: mwe] #1565021
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Originally Posted By: mwe
Ryan has a great set up .
Not knocking the RAMS but I'll take a dozen kill spring snares over the ram any day.



Mike, thanks for the info. I know nothing about snaring other than what I've read and found on line, so the added info is helpful. I'm just curious how fast are the coyotes killed? Do they tear up the trails or are they always killed pretty quickly? How many times can you reuse the snare before it gets deformed to the point it can't be used anymore? These seem to be a lot more expensive in the long run. The power snare setup is around $22 and the replacement snares are $1.95, so I'm curious what is the advantage of using this type of snare. Again, I appreciate the info on this...

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1565599
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The RAMS are 100% legal here as are the kill spring.

I'm just curious how fast are the coyotes killed?
Both kill very fast the kill spring snare [kss] that I recommend and use is about 6' long add a 6-8' extension cable then you have 12 -14 ' of cable when a coyote walks through and into the snare it thinks it's just another vine just like the other 9000bazillion vines we have here in FL.. It blasts off running and trying to break free only to choke the cable down tighter and the kill spring keeps the cable from backing off . The coyote hangs itself and fights harder and harder until choked out.

The long extension cable will allow them to get away from the trail -although it wouldn't matter because you should have multiple snares on the trail to the food.

A kill spring snare is good for one catch because the coyote or any strong animal will have the cable buried into it's neck very deep. The parts on the KSS [kill spring snare] are reusable just buy some cable and stops that --the snare shop-- will sell you and slide them onto new cable -cost will be a few pennies per foot of cable.
Get some cable cutters and a hammer and you're set for making snares.

There's a lot of good snaring info. on youtube or you could buy Marty Senneckers [the man who invented the KSS] coyote snaring dvd and snare like a champ in a short amount of time.

Price wise you would have $22 in one RAM and have ONE snare set -for $21 you have TWELVE KSS up and down the trail to the food giving you twelve times the odds.

What's 12x$22?

I have a couple of the RAMS and will be using them if summer ever ends .


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1565625
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The extension cables will last for a long time and the snare cable that is crooked after catching a coyote can then be used as extension cable.

Bottom line $21 for a dozen snares and 500' of extension cable and several pounds of #11 wire will kill a dozen coyotes.
A couple of bucks per coyote is a great deal.

I have 170+ snares many snare men have many times that.

Call THE SNARE SHOP they'll get you lined up on everything you need and be glad to answer any questions you have.
I'd recommend getting 5 dozen to start with --as my Grandpa use to say --that's just me talking--.


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Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1565650
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Yes, a powered FOOT snare with a loop not to exceed 5 1/2" is legal in AL. And, I suppose you could put a lock on it.

However, in my humble experience, they are far less effective than steel traps when used within Regulations.

Just my $.02.

Re: This guys has the coyote killing down to and art form [Re: westflgator] #1566042
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MWE, Are you snaring around Okaloosa county? How long have you been using the snares and what kind of success rate would you say you're having? I've got a small patch of land over here in Walton county (around 100 acres) and the coyotes are really bad here. I've got to do something that will hopefully have an impact on fawn survival rates. My plan is to hit them hard right before fawning. Hopefully catch a good many of the resident coyotes before the fawns drop, giving the fawns time to get a month or so old before a new group of coyotes move in. Most of the studies I've seen say that most fawns are killed in the first 3 weeks. Very few were killed in the studies after getting past the 3 week mark. So I'm really hoping this would make a difference.

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That's crazy I live not far from these guys and we have had a bumper crop of fawns this year. Seems like every doe has one or two in tow. Good luck!

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Originally Posted By: WhiteCityHunter
That's crazy I live not far from these guys and we have had a bumper crop of fawns this year. Seems like every doe has one or two in tow. Good luck!


Totally different on the north side of I-10. There are A LOT more deer up there, and the more deer there are the less they have an impact on the herd given the same amount of coyotes. I have a total of 3 fawns so far this year on my property between 8 to 10 mature does that frequent my plots. Back in the day this area was hunted very hard during the dog hunting days and we had a lot more deer than we do now. Nothing to do with dog hunting, but my point is there were a lot more deer being killed and a lot more hunting pressure and we had a decent deer herd regardless. Now that these mongrels have taken over, it's been going in the other direction for 6-7 years progressively getting worse.


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