Two "refugees"
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Ruby Ridge
Waco
Steven Hatfill
Richard Jewel

We don't have to worry about the government taking our freedoms, we are willingly just giving them up.

Nailed it.

Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC?

We're talking DUI checkpoints from hell!

SAME THING AS ANY OTHER AGENCY. USE IT TO EXTRICATE CITIZENS IN DANGER, TRANSPORT OFFICERS TO A SCENE WITH ACTIVE SHOOTING, TRANSPORT MEDICS TO TEND TO THE WOUNDED. YOU NAME IT

I am way more fearful of all the police in this country being turned into a paramilitary force than I am some random occasional a-hole that shoots at people during a Batman movie.

One is a threat to a few people, the other is a threat to our entire way of life.

FORT HOOD... HELL THE FU@&ING MILITARY PERSONNEL COULD EVEN HAVE GUNS.. AGAIN SAY WHAT YALL WANT BUT IF THERE IS EVER A TIME YOU ARE IN A SITUATION AND YOU NEED THE POLICE TO BE ARMED LIKE THIS WELL THEN I FEEL FOR YA SINCE YA DONT WANT THEM TO BE.

AND AGAIN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN POLICE HAVING ASSAULT STYLE RIFLES, AND MILITARY GRADE GEAR I.E THERMAL/NIGHT VISION SCOPES, ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS, AND SUCH WHEN THERE ARE SOME CITIZENS THAT HAVE THIS ALREADY.. THERE IS NOT A DIFFERENCE.. IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOESNT NEED THEM WHY THE HELL DO WE??

Nobody said that cops couldn't have AR-15's in the trunk of every cop car. They've had them for years. I don't think we as a free people want a police force that is armed like a military force. We should be careful what we wish for.

Amen and Amen.

This is where I stand. I don't even want them in camo - if you want to be a cop then put on the uniform and be a cop. If you want to use military gear and be a warrior, join the military like the rest of us.

So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives?

You see Isis attacking Cullman anytime soon?

It's coming some where in the US, who knows where. Rural areas with smaller police forces are perfect targets.

If you counting on either to protect you, your already screwed

I agree - defense of one's self and others should be a personal responsibility and one should prepare themselves and those around them for it.

Agreed, but when this happens not everyone will be carrying. I guess those who are now being held and shot one by one should just have to live with their fate right? Or at least for a few hours until the federal Calvary rides into town in the same armored carriers they took from the local PD.

We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.

Okay, I'll play one round.

Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.

Touchy situation but too many LEO's have demonstrated their lack of respect and honoring citizens' rights. So to the LEO's on here... blame your own.

With that said, I'd supported the killing of the Ferguson, MO kid because if you attempt to take a LEO's weapon and you're killed in the process, Good!!! Citizens do have to respect the law.

But it's the LEO's that's caused such distrust in their ranks.

Did it for a long time, 10 years in West Birmingham which was about as bad as it gets. Never felt the need for an APC rarely needed anything but a .45 Probably got a shotgun out of the car 3 times in 10 years. I did use a pistol cal carbine a few times on search warrants and never felt out gunned or scared to do my job.

Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying and there are lots of scenarios that could go I a bunch of different directions. I just don't agree with your opinion, which is also fine.
I'm not worried about the PD being cowardly, they will be there, doing doing the job, but how many good policemen will have to die in order to accomplish the task? How many more lives could be saved if they had access to a armored carrier in a timely manner? Now I don't think they need RPGs or hand grenades, but a armored personnel carrier and Camo?