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Big Ears Disarms police, #1534790
11/24/15 01:48 PM
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When Isis threatens our country he takes arms away from Police, he even wants their camo.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/11/...ml?intcmp=hpbt1


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534828
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Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534831
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Bowhunter84 made a citizens arrest?

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1534847
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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force.



I agree.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1534872
11/24/15 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.




Agreed

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1534890
11/24/15 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: BamaPlowboy] #1534894
11/24/15 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted By: BamaPlowboy
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.




Agreed


Exactly! When a Syrian does attack, I want only the Feds to have the equipment to come in hours later and clean up the mess. I don't want the local police who can respond in minutes to be protected and on equal or greater ground than the terrorists... rolleyes


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534896
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This isn't news. This started months ago. Frankly, I support it. The police should have never been given that stuff anyway. It was debated on here a few months ago. The police are not a military force and should not be armed as one.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: crenshawco] #1534899
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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534922
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SO WHEN THE POLICE IN THE ARTICLE USED AN ARMOR VEHICLE TO EVACUATE CITIZENS FROM HOME NEXT TO WHERE AN ARMED GUNMAN WAS FIRING AT POLICE (OVER 500 ROUNDS FIRED), THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE JUST TOLD HIM TO STOP SO THEY CAN LEAVE?? THEY DO SERVE A PURPOSE AND I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE THEM AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT HOURS FOR SOME FED GROUP TO SHOW UP WITH ONE


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1534924
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534928
11/24/15 03:26 PM
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you do realize when you are engaged in a shootout and police show up you will be disarmed and handcuffed. They are not going to allow you to continue shooting.


Thomas Jefferson. The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: PEA_RIDGE] #1534931
11/24/15 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
SO WHEN THE POLICE IN THE ARTICLE USED AN ARMOR VEHICLE TO EVACUATE CITIZENS FROM HOME NEXT TO WHERE AN ARMED GUNMAN WAS FIRING AT POLICE (OVER 500 ROUNDS FIRED), THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE JUST TOLD HIM TO STOP SO THEY CAN LEAVE?? THEY DO SERVE A PURPOSE AND I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE THEM AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT HOURS FOR SOME FED GROUP TO SHOW UP WITH ONE


I will have to agree to disagree. Because the police don't need these type weapons to do there job. They did them for decades without being armed like special forces.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534932
11/24/15 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted By: perchjerker
you do realize when you are engaged in a shootout and police show up you will be disarmed and handcuffed. They are not going to allow you to continue shooting.


And you want to local cops with this much firepower?

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Turkey_neck] #1534938
11/24/15 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


I can agree with that.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1534950
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
SO WHEN THE POLICE IN THE ARTICLE USED AN ARMOR VEHICLE TO EVACUATE CITIZENS FROM HOME NEXT TO WHERE AN ARMED GUNMAN WAS FIRING AT POLICE (OVER 500 ROUNDS FIRED), THE CITIZENS SHOULD HAVE JUST TOLD HIM TO STOP SO THEY CAN LEAVE?? THEY DO SERVE A PURPOSE AND I BELIEVE THEY SHOULD HAVE THEM AND NOT HAVE TO WAIT HOURS FOR SOME FED GROUP TO SHOW UP WITH ONE


I will have to agree to disagree. Because the police don't need these type weapons to do there job. They did them for decades without being armed like special forces.


Yes, but Obama has brought about a lot of "change"...riots, Syrians, ect. Local police need to be properly equipped now or than ever before.

Terrorists don't fight a direct war they select specific targets and we don't know where the next hit will be. I'd like to know at least someone in my area has the proper tools and training to respond in a timely manner.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1534952
11/24/15 03:39 PM
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Doekiller we are living in different times. Think about a few yrs ago two bank robbers in La had body armor and aks. they started a gun battle that lasted way too long and cost too many lives. fast forward to now think about what just happened in Paris . Do you think its right to send cops out only armed with 9 mils against a gang of bombers with ak's ? Hell no use your head. You fight fire with fire. Your attitude would leave our side out gunned. Hell no I don't agree with you !


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Life is too short to only hunt and fish on weekends!

If being a dumbass was fatal some of you would be on your death bed!

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Turkey_neck] #1534954
11/24/15 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


That's part of the Democrat plan of disarming the citizenry and further eroding their rights. The more authority police have, the easier it is to diminish the rights of citizens. There is no logical reason for local police forces in any municipality to be armed better than many countries across the globe. Cops aren't fighting any wars. That is not a part of their job.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1534964
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper
I'd like to know at least someone in my area has the proper tools and training to respond in a timely manner.


I'll tell you what, go to your local movie theater and walk in and yell Allah Akbar and reach in your pocket. If you don't get shot by your fellow moviegoers, the feds will be there in a hurry to take care of you. Plus they are much more qualified and trained to handle that situation than some Chilton County cop driving a tank

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: crenshawco] #1534973
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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


That's part of the Democrat plan of disarming the citizenry and further eroding their rights. The more authority police have, the easier it is to diminish the rights of citizens. There is no logical reason for local police forces in any municipality to be armed better than many countries across the globe. Cops aren't fighting any wars. That is not a part of their job.


They're not supposed to protect the citizens from those who wish to do Americans harm? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Local police, SWAT, ect are a huge deterrent to terrorists, but the more equipment Big Ears takes away the less the enemy will fear.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1534981
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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.




Agree 100%

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1534984
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


That's part of the Democrat plan of disarming the citizenry and further eroding their rights. The more authority police have, the easier it is to diminish the rights of citizens. There is no logical reason for local police forces in any municipality to be armed better than many countries across the globe. Cops aren't fighting any wars. That is not a part of their job.


They're not supposed to protect the citizens from those who wish to do Americans harm? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Local police, SWAT, ect are a huge deterrent to terrorists, but the more equipment Big Ears takes away the less the enemy will fear.


Your response is exactly what terrorists want to happen in the countries they attack. They want the public to fear them to the point that they become dependent on the government to take care of them. They don't want us to enjoy the freedoms of doing what we want.

I'm of the opinion that American citizens should be able to take care of themselves, and in the rare instance they cannot, there are Federal agencies who can. Again, it is not part of local police's job description to fight enemies in battle type scenarios. There are specifically trained units and agencies for that.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1535007
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: perchjerker
you do realize when you are engaged in a shootout and police show up you will be disarmed and handcuffed. They are not going to allow you to continue shooting.


And you want to local cops with this much firepower?


IMHO I SURE DO. ANYTHING THAT WILL BENEFIT THEM IN STOPPING THE THREAT FASTER AND MORE EFFECTIVELY VS. A BARNEY FIFE AND A 6 SHOT REVOLVER. THE CRIMINALS NOW DAYS HAVE ACCESS TO ARMOR PIERCING AMMO THAT WILL EAT RIGHT THRU A VEST AND SOMETIMES IT IS A NECESSITY


Fletch

Triple Toe Assassins, Where Pellets Meet Peckers

"A turkey's brain development exceeds that of nearly all vice-presidents." - TOM KELLY

The bird possesses a remarkable ability to turn arrogance into hopelessness. - TOM KELLY

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: crenshawco] #1535018
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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Turkey_neck
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





X2 the US citizenry is plenty enough well armed to defend itself from ISIS


So while you are at work and ISIS takes your local school hostage you are going to go home, get your guns, your buddies and go to their rescue before they kill most everyone in the school. Okay, dang y'all are good!

Not to say you're wrong john but if the government wasn't pussified like it is now we wouldn't have these problems.


That's part of the Democrat plan of disarming the citizenry and further eroding their rights. The more authority police have, the easier it is to diminish the rights of citizens. There is no logical reason for local police forces in any municipality to be armed better than many countries across the globe. Cops aren't fighting any wars. That is not a part of their job.


They're not supposed to protect the citizens from those who wish to do Americans harm? I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Local police, SWAT, ect are a huge deterrent to terrorists, but the more equipment Big Ears takes away the less the enemy will fear.


Your response is exactly what terrorists want to happen in the countries they attack. They want the public to fear them to the point that they become dependent on the government to take care of them. They don't want us to enjoy the freedoms of doing what we want.

I'm of the opinion that American citizens should be able to take care of themselves, and in the rare instance they cannot, there are Federal agencies who can. Again, it is not part of local police's job description to fight enemies in battle type scenarios. There are specifically trained units and agencies for that.


Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?

Don't you understand that our current enemies don't fight battles? They don't fight wars with front lines. They hit seemingly random targets and don't want to do battle, they just want to kill. Paris and the Beslan school attacks are perfect examples.


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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: perchjerker
you do realize when you are engaged in a shootout and police show up you will be disarmed and handcuffed. They are not going to allow you to continue shooting.


And you want to local cops with this much firepower?


IMHO I SURE DO. ANYTHING THAT WILL BENEFIT THEM IN STOPPING THE THREAT FASTER AND MORE EFFECTIVELY VS. A BARNEY FIFE AND A 6 SHOT REVOLVER. THE CRIMINALS NOW DAYS HAVE ACCESS TO ARMOR PIERCING AMMO THAT WILL EAT RIGHT THRU A VEST AND SOMETIMES IT IS A NECESSITY


Armour peircing ammo? Who is listening to the media. Those pesky new tangled full metal jacketed ammo bullet thingies. That stuff is such new technology.

You want Barny Fife with a fully auto and a armored troop carrier. They makes you feel safe? Not me.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535033
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Is anyone surprised that two people involved with law enforcement want heavily armed police?

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Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.


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Whatever suits you just tickles me plum to death.

Can I refill your eggnog for you? Get you something to eat? Drive you out to the middle of nowhere and leave you for dead?

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WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1535043
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Is anyone surprised that two people involved with law enforcement want heavily armed police?


COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE.. GUN FREE ZONE. FOLKS DIDNT HAVE GUNS. SHOOTER WAS ARMED TO THE MAX WITH HIGH POWERED WEAPONS CAPABLE OF PIERCING A BULLET "PROOF" VEST. IF HE CHOSE TO DO SO HE COULD HAVE VERY EASILY PICKED OFF ANY POLICE OFFICER THAT ENTERED THE VENUE. IF I RECALL THE POLICE DEPT HAD AN A.P.C AND THE WEAPONRY AND TRAINING/TACTICS TO DEAL WITH AN ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATION. VS THE FED'S THAT MIGHT TAKE 4+ HRS TO GET CALLED OUT AND ON SCENE.. TIME = LIVES SAVED.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: PEA_RIDGE] #1535047
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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
Originally Posted By: doekiller
Is anyone surprised that two people involved with law enforcement want heavily armed police?


COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE.. GUN FREE ZONE. FOLKS DIDNT HAVE GUNS. SHOOTER WAS ARMED TO THE MAX WITH HIGH POWERED WEAPONS CAPABLE OF PIERCING A BULLET "PROOF" VEST. IF HE CHOSE TO DO SO HE COULD HAVE VERY EASILY PICKED OFF ANY POLICE OFFICER THAT ENTERED THE VENUE. IF I RECALL THE POLICE DEPT HAD AN A.P.C AND THE WEAPONRY AND TRAINING/TACTICS TO DEAL WITH AN ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATION. VS THE FED'S THAT MIGHT TAKE 4+ HRS TO GET CALLED OUT AND ON SCENE.. TIME = LIVES SAVED.


If that wasn't a gun free zone it would have ended a lot sooner.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535052
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Really, he had a shotgun a pistol and 2 ARs. And 50 cops couldn't take him out?

use he 1 out of 1,000 situation to justify it.

Can't wait until they use all that stuff to come try to take your guns.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: mark] #1535053
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Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.


Exactly. Over armed police = loss of rights. You all know what they say about history, and it repeating. Our forefathers understood this and created the second amendment so that the citizens of the US could stand up to tyrannical and overreaching government.

By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.

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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.


Because soooooo many times that is what police face.

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Originally Posted By: doekiller
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WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.


Because soooooo many times that is what police face.


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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.




By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.


Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased.

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If those vehicles are needed then the national guard should be brought in.


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NEED IT AND AINT GOT IT YOUR FU@^ED

NEVER NEED IT AND HAVE IT THATS GOOD

I BET WHEN YOU IN THE MALL OR BJCC AND SOME CRAZY shucks COMES IN AND SHOOTS THE PLACE UP AND TAKES HOSTAGES OR SUCH AND THE POPO COME IN WITH THEIR BIG BAD MILITARY GUNS AND shucks AND SAVES YOUR ASS, YOU FAMILY AND FRIENDS YOU WILL BE GRATEFUL THEY HAVE IT.. AM I RIGHT?? OR DO YOU WANT TO SIT IN THERE FOR 4,5,6+ HOURS WHY THE FEDS COME IN, GET BLUE PRINTS, FIND ACCESS POINTS ECT AND BY THEN YALL MIGHT BE DEAD.. THE UNITS THAT HAVE THEM ARE VERY WELL TRAINED SOME TO MIL STANDARD FOR THE FACT THAT A VAST MAJORITY OF L.E.O'S NOW DAYS ARE EX-MILITARY, IN HOW THEY USE THE EQUIPMENT AND SUCH AND IN HOSTAGE SITUATIONS


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1535102
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Is anyone surprised that two people involved with law enforcement want heavily armed police?



And why do you think that is?

I'll tell you. I want to see people protected. Can random armed citizens stop a single terrorist at a theater? Absolutely. And for the record I hate gun free zones just like anyone else and believe everyone should carry every single day!
However, do y'all actually think there are enough trained and armed citizens to take down a group of 3 or 4 well trained heavily armed terrorists in an efficient and timely manner? When a Paris style attack happens here only few citizens will fight back, those that do will most likely be out gunned( your pistol against a AK) and the ones called upon to kill the enemy will be the police. I want them ready.


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Originally Posted By: Reyn
Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.




By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.


Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased.


NONE THEY WERE ONLY GETTING THE VEHICLES WITH NOWEAPONS AND SOME GOT HELICOPTERS


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Reyn] #1535108
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Originally Posted By: Reyn
Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.




By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.


Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased.


Do a little digging around here. Might just be informing

http://bridge.caspio.net/dp.asp?AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4

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Originally Posted By: buzzard
If those vehicles are needed then the national guard should be brought in.


WHICH DOES NOT HAPPEN IN THE BLINK OF AN EYE.. YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH MANY CHANNELS TO GET THAT TO HAPPEN. AND IT TAKES HOURS AND HOURS


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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
Originally Posted By: Reyn
Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.




By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.


Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased.


NONE THEY WERE ONLY GETTING THE VEHICLES WITH NOWEAPONS AND SOME GOT HELICOPTERS


After you buy a tank, MRAP, or chopper, buying ammo is cheap. It's taxpayer money to burn after all!

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535121
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THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING

THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE

The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: crenshawco] #1535132
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Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: Reyn
Originally Posted By: crenshawco
Originally Posted By: mark
Yeah, because a paramilitary police force worked out so well in 1930 Germany.




By giving local police forces tanks, MRAP's, rpg's, and other war munitions, you are giving the government more power over citizens. That is not what this country was founded on and succeeeded on. It succeeded because of individual liberty and freedom to succeed without government intervention.




Which dept. we're getting tanks, RPGs and war munitions? I know of armored vehicle with no weapons attached. What firepower do they have that the average person cannot get. Class III? Non LEOs can still get those. 50 BMG can still be purchased.


Do a little digging around here. Might just be informing

http://bridge.caspio.net/dp.asp?AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4


Take a while to dig through it all but not seeing any firepower that a non LEO can't get so far. Crenshaw county got some 308s. Checked Morgan where I'm at but not aware of any firepower that Others can't get. Do you know any off the top of your head?

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535133
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I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting.

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But, the police never misuse their equipment. That would never happen, they never abuse their power. It is alright. We should just be sheep and follow what ever the government says is okay and right. We can't protect ourselves. We need big brother or we will all die.

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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING

THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE

The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment.


So, since the Feds gave it to them, no one pays for it right? I mean, we don't pay federal taxes.

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Originally Posted By: doekiller
But, the police never misuse their equipment. That would never happen, they never abuse their power. It is alright. We should just be sheep and follow what ever the government says is okay and right. We can't protect ourselves. We need big brother or we will all die.


Yea, you do that and let me know how it works out for you laugh

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YES THE FEDS BOUGHT IT OFF OUR DOLLAR, BUT IT GETTING REUSED IS BETTER THEN SENDING IT TO THE SCRAPPER OR OTHER COUNTRIES THAT COULD IN TURN USE IT ON US


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535153
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Glad to see you found the caps lock. My bad on the local units buying this equipment. I guess the taxpayer paid for it the first time, so they didn't have to buy them again. I guess they do buy the ammunition for them though?

So, we take equipment designed specifically for our very well trained military and just dump it odd with local cops. Maybe they can figure out how to use it next time they get a noise complaint or running a red light violation.

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Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.

Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???

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THIS IS THE SAME STUFF AN AVERAGE CITIZEN CAN GO OUT AND BUY. I MEAN ITS NIGHT SCOPES , TRUCKS, GUNS THAT ARE NOT CLASS III ECT, THE ONLY REASON 99.999% OF THE CITIZENS DONT HAVE IT IS THE COST OF IT


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Fuzzy_Bunny] #1535160
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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting.


Local officers Leroy, Jim, and Bob feel the same as me when it comes to the government taking our freedoms. It may not be the same in bigger cities, but around here police officers are some of the most red blooded Americans around.

I guess the Feds should be the only ones with this equipment and with that mind set I guess they should be the only ones with guns right?


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Originally Posted By: M48scout
Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.

Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???



AGAIN REGULAR OL' CITIZEN CAN BUY THE STUFF THE DEPARTMENTS WERE GIVEN THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE COST...


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Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting.


Bingo. No matter how you spin it, an armored personnel carrier on the streets of small town America is a disturbing image.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1535168
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
THEY GOT IT FREE FROM THE FED.. THEY DIDNT BUY A DAMN THING

THIS IS STRAIGHT FROM THE ARTICLE

The controversy circled around the 1033 program, set up by the Defense Department in 1997. The program authorizes the Pentagon to send excess military equipment such as armored tracked vehicles, camouflage uniforms and weapons to local law enforcement agencies for no cost. Supporters of the program say it saves money for local agencies, strengthens those agencies and allows the U.S. to get a second use out of existing equipment.


So, since the Feds gave it to them, no one pays for it right? I mean, we don't pay federal taxes.


If it can be used do you not think it should be used as opposed to sitting somewhere rusting away?

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: M48scout] #1535180
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Originally Posted By: M48scout
Just like we need Federal Government limited in their powers, we need local government limited to some degree as well. Some of this junk they issue the local police is so certain officers (not all, or most) can use the equipment for their Rambo low self esteem. It's very very rare that a local police organization need armed presonnel carriers and various other military weapons. If their egos require using that equipment, then join the military.

Ask yourself this: do you really want the local Harpersville police to have that equipment? Yes, a local police force should be able to have normal sniper type rifles, whatever pistols they want, body armor, etc. But, do you really want one of these rouge officers (small faction of the force, but they do exist) to have access to military weapons if something goes awry in this country and the local DA decides to align themselves with a federal government that you might disagree with???



What military weapons are they getting that a non LEO cannot get. I still cannot find anything. It seems some believe they have TOW missiles or anti aircraft weapons. Maybe some do but I cannot find anything clarifying it.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535193
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Jon, you are grasping at straws here. I agree most local small town cops are good folks, and nobody here said we don't need guns.

People are people and some folks can and will make bad decisions, so I don't think it is unreasonable to believe local leo could misuse equipment.

it is all good when We all agree with someones way of thinking or values, but let someone we don't agree with take charge and things get bad.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1535199
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Originally Posted By: Fuzzy_Bunny
I think a lot of leople are missing the point that if local leo use military equipment appropriately it isnt a big deal. The issue is if they have the stuff, they have the potential to mssuse it, or use it to take freedom from those they are supposed to be protecting.


Local officers Leroy, Jim, and Bob feel the same as me when it comes to the government taking our freedoms. It may not be the same in bigger cities, but around here police officers are some of the most red blooded Americans around.

I guess the Feds should be the only ones with this equipment and with that mind set I guess they should be the only ones with guns right?


I know plenty of local police in the metro Birmingham area that don't think citizens should have guns. The Baldwin County sheriff has made it well known he is against citizens carrying guns. More police want unarmed citizens than you think.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: buzzard] #1535265
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If those vehicles are needed then the national guard should be brought in.

For what to be a deterrent? Unless Martial Law is declared they aint nothing but being seen.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1535305
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Dustin] #1535309
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Originally Posted By: Dustin
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?


Two "refugees"
One Pressure Cooker




Ruby Ridge
Waco
Steven Hatfill
Richard Jewel

We don't have to worry about the government taking our freedoms, we are willingly just giving them up.


Nailed it.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: PEA_RIDGE] #1535317
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Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.




Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC?


Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535319
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Vulkanman] #1535320
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Originally Posted By: Vulkanman
Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.




Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC?


SAME THING AS ANY OTHER AGENCY. USE IT TO EXTRICATE CITIZENS IN DANGER, TRANSPORT OFFICERS TO A SCENE WITH ACTIVE SHOOTING, TRANSPORT MEDICS TO TEND TO THE WOUNDED. YOU NAME IT


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: PEA_RIDGE] #1535324
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Quote:
COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE


I am way more fearful of all the police in this country being turned into a paramilitary force than I am some random occasional a-hole that shoots at people during a Batman movie.

One is a threat to a few people, the other is a threat to our entire way of life.


The best index to a person’s character is (a) how he treats people who can’t do him any good, and (b) how he treats people who can’t fight back.
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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535328
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FORT HOOD... HELL THE FU@&ING MILITARY PERSONNEL COULD EVEN HAVE GUNS.. AGAIN SAY WHAT YALL WANT BUT IF THERE IS EVER A TIME YOU ARE IN A SITUATION AND YOU NEED THE POLICE TO BE ARMED LIKE THIS WELL THEN I FEEL FOR YA SINCE YA DONT WANT THEM TO BE.

AND AGAIN WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN POLICE HAVING ASSAULT STYLE RIFLES, AND MILITARY GRADE GEAR I.E THERMAL/NIGHT VISION SCOPES, ARMORED PERSONNEL CARRIERS, AND SUCH WHEN THERE ARE SOME CITIZENS THAT HAVE THIS ALREADY.. THERE IS NOT A DIFFERENCE.. IF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT DOESNT NEED THEM WHY THE HELL DO WE??


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535334
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Originally Posted By: perchjerker
Doekiller we are living in different times. Think about a few yrs ago two bank robbers in La had body armor and aks. they started a gun battle that lasted way too long and cost too many lives. fast forward to now think about what just happened in Paris . Do you think its right to send cops out only armed with 9 mils against a gang of bombers with ak's ? Hell no use your head. You fight fire with fire. Your attitude would leave our side out gunned. Hell no I don't agree with you !


Nobody said that cops couldn't have AR-15's in the trunk of every cop car. They've had them for years. I don't think we as a free people want a police force that is armed like a military force. We should be careful what we wish for.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1535339
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Originally Posted By: Todd1700
Quote:
COLORADO THEATER SHOOTING FOR EXAMPLE


I am way more fearful of all the police in this country being turned into a paramilitary force than I am some random occasional a-hole that shoots at people during a Batman movie.

One is a threat to a few people, the other is a threat to our entire way of life.

Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Originally Posted By: perchjerker
Doekiller we are living in different times. Think about a few yrs ago two bank robbers in La had body armor and aks. they started a gun battle that lasted way too long and cost too many lives. fast forward to now think about what just happened in Paris . Do you think its right to send cops out only armed with 9 mils against a gang of bombers with ak's ? Hell no use your head. You fight fire with fire. Your attitude would leave our side out gunned. Hell no I don't agree with you !


Nobody said that cops couldn't have AR-15's in the trunk of every cop car. They've had them for years. I don't think we as a free people want a police force that is armed like a military force. We should be careful what we wish for.


Amen and Amen.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Irishguy] #1535401
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Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.





This is where I stand. I don't even want them in camo - if you want to be a cop then put on the uniform and be a cop. If you want to use military gear and be a warrior, join the military like the rest of us.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535407
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So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives?


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1535409
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper
So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives?


You see Isis attacking Cullman anytime soon?

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: doekiller] #1535414
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Originally Posted By: doekiller
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper
So if we have an attack similar to Paris, who do y'all see coming to take the bad guys out and trying to save lives?


You see Isis attacking Cullman anytime soon?


It's coming some where in the US, who knows where. Rural areas with smaller police forces are perfect targets.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1535415
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper
Originally Posted By: BamaPlowboy
Originally Posted By: Irishguy
Personally... I don't want a para-military police force. They are here to "protect and to serve." If a cop wants to play Rambo then he needs to join the appropriate branch of service.




Agreed


Exactly! When a Syrian does attack, I want only the Feds to have the equipment to come in hours later and clean up the mess. I don't want the local police who can respond in minutes to be protected and on equal or greater ground than the terrorists... rolleyes


If you counting on either to protect you, your already screwed

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535428
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I agree - defense of one's self and others should be a personal responsibility and one should prepare themselves and those around them for it.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Geno] #1535437
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Originally Posted By: Geno
I agree - defense of one's self and others should be a personal responsibility and one should prepare themselves and those around them for it.


Agreed, but when this happens not everyone will be carrying. I guess those who are now being held and shot one by one should just have to live with their fate right? Or at least for a few hours until the federal Calvary rides into town in the same armored carriers they took from the local PD.


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We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.

Okay, I'll play one round.

Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: perchjerker] #1535548
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Touchy situation but too many LEO's have demonstrated their lack of respect and honoring citizens' rights. So to the LEO's on here... blame your own.

With that said, I'd supported the killing of the Ferguson, MO kid because if you attempt to take a LEO's weapon and you're killed in the process, Good!!! Citizens do have to respect the law.

But it's the LEO's that's caused such distrust in their ranks.

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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Vulkanman] #1535566
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Originally Posted By: Vulkanman
Originally Posted By: PEA_RIDGE
WELL HOW BOUT YOU BECOME A LEO AND HAVE TO TAKE FIRE FROM SOMEONE WITH SKS, AK-47, AR-15, OR ANY BIG CALIBER GUN , SAY .270 .308 300MAG AND SEE IF YOU DONT WISH YOU HAD A DAMN A.P.C. TO RIDE IN.




Can't handle the load, don't suit up. Take a moment and visit the Hoover PD and tell me what they would do with an APC?


Did it for a long time, 10 years in West Birmingham which was about as bad as it gets. Never felt the need for an APC rarely needed anything but a .45 Probably got a shotgun out of the car 3 times in 10 years. I did use a pistol cal carbine a few times on search warrants and never felt out gunned or scared to do my job.

Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Geno] #1535573
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Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying and there are lots of scenarios that could go I a bunch of different directions. I just don't agree with your opinion, which is also fine.
I'm not worried about the PD being cowardly, they will be there, doing doing the job, but how many good policemen will have to die in order to accomplish the task? How many more lives could be saved if they had access to a armored carrier in a timely manner? Now I don't think they need RPGs or hand grenades, but a armored personnel carrier and Camo?


Originally Posted By: Geno
We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.

Okay, I'll play one round.

Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.



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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Dustin] #1535599
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Originally Posted By: Dustin
Originally Posted By: yotetrapper

Who said anything about taking freedoms away from citizens? And I am of the thought that I would rather local men(police) be able to protect my community than for the Feds to come in declaring Marshal law. Plus, how many armed military men/women do you see patrolling your community, how long do you think they take to arrive and start kicking taliban butt?


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Ruby Ridge
Waco
Steven Hatfill
Richard Jewel

We don't have to worry about the government taking our freedoms, we are willingly just giving them up.


Dustin hit the nail on the head right here.

Im as pro LEO as it can get, but there are limits.

It was RIDICULOUS how the Boston PD acted.

They say "no weapons" on them...but they had people pointing weapons out of them..

People aiming M4s at civilians in their apt windows etc,..looking for one kid that was wounded and hiding in a dang boat!
Dang mar tial law type of behavior by the PD pretty dang quick there.
Taking over a huge area of the city, searching without warrents.
Really? I thought most here were for personal freedom.

No...they dont need MRAPs .

If they need to transport folks...an armoured bank type truck with seats is more appropiate. MRAPs are battle vehicles.

And the argument about being more secure...well Ive always agreed with the saying "he who gives up liberty for security deserves neither". And soon does not have either.

I am against a militarized police force personally.

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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: yotetrapper] #1535678
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Originally Posted By: yotetrapper


Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're saying and there are lots of scenarios that could go I a bunch of different directions. I just don't agree with your opinion, which is also fine.
I'm not worried about the PD being cowardly, they will be there, doing doing the job, but how many good policemen will have to die in order to accomplish the task? How many more lives could be saved if they had access to a armored carrier in a timely manner? Now I don't think they need RPGs or hand grenades, but a armored personnel carrier and Camo?


Originally Posted By: Geno
We can play scenarios all day and always find many that are not pleasant - I'm not interested in doing that.

Okay, I'll play one round.

Only if local pd is to cowardly to go get a deer rifle and take care of the situation if a clear shot presents itself or proceed with dynamic entry if not. If the local pd is not familiar with breaching doors and clearing rooms, maybe you should consider installing a different one.



If the local pd really has a need for an apc or an mrap, I'm switching localities.


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Re: Big Ears Disarms police, [Re: Kounse] #1535766
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Originally Posted By: Kounse
Touchy situation but too many LEO's have demonstrated their lack of respect and honoring citizens' rights. So to the LEO's on here... blame your own.

With that said, I'd supported the killing of the Ferguson, MO kid because if you attempt to take a LEO's weapon and you're killed in the process, Good!!! Citizens do have to respect the law.

But it's the LEO's that's caused such distrust in their ranks.


This is the exact line of thinking of the black lives matter crew.... Blame everyone of the group. That's why there will always be racial tension because grown men let their emotions make decisions. Most LEOs are white. Does that mean blame you too? I mean you vote. I assume you voted the mayor or council in that hired the chief that hired the crooked cops .How big a paint brush does it take to paint everyone?

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