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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507257
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Hahahaha. lol


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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Ant67] #1507259
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Originally Posted By: Ant67
Does the aldeer jury (who obviously have not attempted to understand the law) realize that a VERY pro hunter district judge found these kids guilty? A very solid circuit judge found these kids guilty. Five (5) justices on the Alabama court of ciriminal appeals reviewed the case and upheld the conviction. 2 Alabama Supreme Court justices would have upheld if in the majority. 9 of the best legal minds in this State thought the evidence supported a conviction yet the Aldeer jury thinks this is the conspiracy of the century! The Supreme Court of Alabama overturned the conviction only by making a radical change in the law! Furthermore, if you read cases often you will realize that the Supreme Court probably would have upheld these convictions if the State had not put all their eggs on the Rogers v State basket. Yet given all this the Aldeer jury who usually picks everything apart by the hair is not even taking the time to understand the law because they are so busy throwing a hunter friendly member of this site under the bus. Yes he said if one of the boys admitted he would have not found the others guilty. The law allowed him to find them all guilty! That's not why the circuit judges opinion was reversed. Happens literally everyday. Cops pull over a car find drugs. Nobody admits and all get charged. Again I don't know this Judge but reading this bullshit attacking his character out of pure ignorance I just can't take it no more. And none of the sleuths on Aldeer are saying chit. Read the case or shut yo mouth. And by the way I am glad the kids were found not guilty. I have defended many people charged with night hunting in my 23 years of practicing law and Rogers v State was unAmericun. And by the way the fact these Judges have gone to small town Alabama to make a living has no bearing whatsoever on their ability to practice. So their you have it. And Wiley if you call me an idiot again we can meet and discuss it like men. I'm done.

If you look at the history of this country you'll see that it was won and defended by standing up to tyranny. The same type of tyranny stated in your post, "I'll quote something from something I had nothing to do with." Read a leather bound copy of Common Sense by the great Thomas Paine then beat yourself on the head with it.

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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507261
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I still want to see proof that a shot was fired. I have stated that I am unsure of whether a shot was fired or not, but I see no evidence either way that gives prima facie was met.

Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Bamabucks14] #1507263
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Originally Posted By: Bamabucks14
Originally Posted By: Ant67
Does the aldeer jury (who obviously have not attempted to understand the law) realize that a VERY pro hunter district judge found these kids guilty? A very solid circuit judge found these kids guilty. Five (5) justices on the Alabama court of ciriminal appeals reviewed the case and upheld the conviction. 2 Alabama Supreme Court justices would have upheld if in the majority. 9 of the best legal minds in this State thought the evidence supported a conviction yet the Aldeer jury thinks this is the conspiracy of the century! The Supreme Court of Alabama overturned the conviction only by making a radical change in the law! Furthermore, if you read cases often you will realize that the Supreme Court probably would have upheld these convictions if the State had not put all their eggs on the Rogers v State basket. Yet given all this the Aldeer jury who usually picks everything apart by the hair is not even taking the time to understand the law because they are so busy throwing a hunter friendly member of this site under the bus. Yes he said if one of the boys admitted he would have not found the others guilty. The law allowed him to find them all guilty! That's not why the circuit judges opinion was reversed. Happens literally everyday. Cops pull over a car find drugs. Nobody admits and all get charged. Again I don't know this Judge but reading this bullshit attacking his character out of pure ignorance I just can't take it no more. And none of the sleuths on Aldeer are saying chit. Read the case or shut yo mouth. And by the way I am glad the kids were found not guilty. I have defended many people charged with night hunting in my 23 years of practicing law and Rogers v State was unAmericun. And by the way the fact these Judges have gone to small town Alabama to make a living has no bearing whatsoever on their ability to practice. So their you have it. And Wiley if you call me an idiot again we can meet and discuss it like men. I'm done.

If you look at the history of this country you'll see that it was won and defended by standing up to tranny. The same type of tranny stated in your post, "I'll quote something from something I had nothing to do with." Read a leather bound copy of Common Sense by the great Thomas Paine then beat yourself in the head with it.


How does Bruce/Catelyn fit into this whole thing?


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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507264
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So now we're talking about trannys in this thread too?


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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507268
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Just edited my post lol meant tyranny, it's crazy that iPhone will change the word tyranny to tranny

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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507278
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Ant, I think the ruffled feathers over the state's definition of hunting at night was the smaller issue in this instance. I think what caused the most heartburn was that the state didn't seem to meet the burden of proof. Hearing a noise but not being sure where it came from hardly constitutes "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that a guilty verdict was handed down and then upheld all the way to the Supreme Court is downright sickening. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and that did not seem to be the case here. There was no proof, only suspicion. It's a painful reminder that those who often cannot pay to defend themselves properly can easily get railroaded. Maybe it doesn't cause you heartburn because you can't envision yourself ever being in that boat. A lot of us live in that boat.


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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Yelp softly] #1507281
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Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Ant, I think the ruffled feathers over the state's definition of hunting at night was the smaller issue in this instance. I think what caused the most heartburn was that the state didn't seem to meet the burden of proof. Hearing a noise but not being sure where it came from hardly constitutes "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that a guilty verdict was handed down and then upheld all the way to the Supreme Court is downright sickening. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and that did not seem to be the case here. There was no proof, only suspicion. It's a painful reminder that those who often cannot pay to defend themselves properly can easily get railroaded. Maybe it doesn't cause you heartburn because you can't envision yourself ever being in that boat. A lot of us live in that boat.

But under Rogers v Sfate the only thing the State had to prove was 1. You were in an area where deer were 2. You had some light 3. You had a gun. I personally think the law was bullshit but given ALL the facts this is nof a story of some out of control Judge. And how many members on here could identify a rifle shot 140 yards away???? I can.
And by the way I can envision I assure you. I make a living on heartburn. No silver spoon here'.

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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Ant67] #1507283
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Originally Posted By: Ant67
Originally Posted By: Yelp softly
Ant, I think the ruffled feathers over the state's definition of hunting at night was the smaller issue in this instance. I think what caused the most heartburn was that the state didn't seem to meet the burden of proof. Hearing a noise but not being sure where it came from hardly constitutes "beyond a reasonable doubt". The fact that a guilty verdict was handed down and then upheld all the way to the Supreme Court is downright sickening. It's supposed to be innocent until proven guilty and that did not seem to be the case here. There was no proof, only suspicion. It's a painful reminder that those who often cannot pay to defend themselves properly can easily get railroaded. Maybe it doesn't cause you heartburn because you can't envision yourself ever being in that boat. A lot of us live in that boat.

But under Rogers v Sfafe the only thing the State had to prove was 1. You were in an area where deer were 2. You had some light 3. You had a gun. I personally think the law was bullshit but given ALL the facts this is nof a story of some out of control Judge. And how many members on here could identify a rifle shot 140 yards away????


This defines all of South Alabama...... In other words.....anyone who drives through the area and their car backfires is a target......


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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507292
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That is all the state had to prove, but with there being no witness to anything but the sound of a possible gunshot the judge could have found them not guilty. At 140 yards away a gunshot can sound the same as a gunshot 400 yards away depending on the calibers and other factors involved. Maybe some night hunter was killing a deer 3 or 4 hundred yards away in the woods and it just happened to be at the same time they were at the stop sign. There was no witness to a flash, no shell casing, no bullet holes, no dead deer, no live deer seen, no stop sign with holes in it, nothing but the sound of a possible gunshot. Sure, the case law supported the conviction, but the totality of the evidence seems not to support it. We have pretty much heard from both sides and no one has said there was any evidence except for the sound of shots coming from the direction of the truck. Just not enough there and that's what the supreme court decided.

Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Ant67] #1507300
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Originally Posted By: Ant67
And Wiley if you call me an idiot again we can meet and discuss it like men.


If I had known that your feelings were so delicate I wouldn't have said that. Post your mailing address and I'll follow up with a sympathy card or flowers or something.


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507303
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Box 188. Centreville. . I prefer Petunias.

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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: Ant67] #1507358
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Originally Posted By: Ant67
Box 188. Centreville. . I prefer Petunias.


Well damn, I've already sent you some watermelon. laugh

Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507362
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I will interject. The Alabama Court of Criminal Appeals has never seen a case they wouldn't affirm. Their reversal rate is one of the lowest in the country. Every lawyer practicing criminal law in Alabama that handles appeals know you have to go to the Supreme Court to get a chance at a reversal.

I have had cases in front of a lot of judges around this state and have appeared in every county. I can say with certainty there are judges who would find someone guilty in a heart beat without any real evidence. District Court Judges tend to be more likely to do this than Circuirt Court only because most circuit court cases are tried in front of a jury.

Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: TR62] #1507378
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Originally Posted By: TR62
Originally Posted By: Ant67
Box 188. Centreville. . I prefer Petunias.


Well damn, I've already sent you some watermelon. laugh


laugh

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Originally Posted By: Ant67
Box 188. Centreville. . I prefer Petunias.


I'm leaning more toward Pansies


I firmly believe that a double gallows should be constructed on the East Lawn of The White House. Politicians who willfully and shamelessly violate their oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America should be swiftly tried and, upon conviction, publicly hanged at sunup the day after conviction. If multiple convicts are to be hanged they can choose with whom to share the gallows or names shall be drawn from the hangman's hat to be hanged 2 at a time.




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Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: JWC] #1507439
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If the judge did nothing wrong, as Ant says, why would he go back and delete his reasoning? It certainly appears that something wasn't exactly right.


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Originally Posted By: bill
If the judge did nothing wrong, as Ant says, why would he go back and delete his reasoning? It certainly appears that something wasn't exactly right.


Speculation, maybe it has something to do with Ant being a Johnson as well.


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Originally Posted By: bill
If the judge did nothing wrong, as Ant says, why would he go back and delete his reasoning? It certainly appears that something wasn't exactly right.


The fact that he felt the need to comment on it on a public forum on the WORLD WIDE WEB blows me away. As does the fact that these 3 were convicted with no evidence whatsoever.


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The left lane is for the the purpose of moving the flow of traffic forward regardless of the speed limit. If your impeding the flow of traffic get your ass in the right lane. It's really that simple...

Re: Anybody have a similar experience ?? [Re: biglmbass] #1507467
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Originally Posted By: biglmbass
Originally Posted By: bill
If the judge did nothing wrong, as Ant says, why would he go back and delete his reasoning? It certainly appears that something wasn't exactly right.


The fact that he felt the need to comment on it on a public forum on the WORLD WIDE WEB blows me away. As does the fact that these 3 were convicted with no evidence whatsoever.


He was trying to convict them again , in the court of public opinion, after the Supreme Court overruled his decision.


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